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Yes, I think the pager attack is also an interesting case study. It's one thing to execute a supply chain compromise for information gathering, where the target

Yes, I think the pager attack is also an interesting case study. It's one thing to execute a supply chain compromise for information gathering, where the target may never know what happened. On the other hand, flaunting your abilities in that area will just lead you to being cut out of supply chains.

bawolff 2y ago
Hezbolla didn't intentionally include israel in its supply chain. The impressive part of the attack is that they managed to insert themselves into an enemy's military supply chain without their enemy knowing - which is a 101 thing militaries try to prevent. If they were just abusing their known position in a supply chain, it would be much less impressive. So i don't think it follows that the attack would lead to israel being cut out of supply chains, since the attack didn't involve that.
- bbqfog 2y ago
  It wasn't "impressive", it just operated outside the bounds of moral values that the rest of the world holds, so it was unexpected.
  - bawolff 2y ago
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    - bbqfog 2y ago
      I didn't find it technically impressive at all. It was just morally objectionable and a major human rights violation. This along with all of the other human rights violations that Israel has committed are yet another reason I would never do business with anyone or anything even remotely associated with Israel. Boycotting Israel does help this problem if it means Israel goes the way of apartheid South Africa. That's the whole point, to end the regime.
      - bawolff 2y ago
        You can boycott things for whatever political reasons you want, but boycotting something for political reasons is very different than boycotting to improve your own security. My impression is that it is the latter the original post was suggesting, and its the latter that doesn't make sense to me, as a practical matter.
        bbqfog 2y ago
        Israel blew people up with consumer devices. My number one concern is my own safety.

bawolff 2y ago

Hezbolla didn't intentionally include israel in its supply chain. The impressive part of the attack is that they managed to insert themselves into an enemy's military supply chain without their enemy knowing - which is a 101 thing militaries try to prevent. If they were just abusing their known position in a supply chain, it would be much less impressive. So i don't think it follows that the attack would lead to israel being cut out of supply chains, since the attack didn't involve that.

bbqfog 2y ago
It wasn't "impressive", it just operated outside the bounds of moral values that the rest of the world holds, so it was unexpected.
- bawolff 2y ago
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  - bbqfog 2y ago
    I didn't find it technically impressive at all. It was just morally objectionable and a major human rights violation. This along with all of the other human rights violations that Israel has committed are yet another reason I would never do business with anyone or anything even remotely associated with Israel. Boycotting Israel does help this problem if it means Israel goes the way of apartheid South Africa. That's the whole point, to end the regime.
    - bawolff 2y ago
      You can boycott things for whatever political reasons you want, but boycotting something for political reasons is very different than boycotting to improve your own security. My impression is that it is the latter the original post was suggesting, and its the latter that doesn't make sense to me, as a practical matter.
      - bbqfog 2y ago
        Israel blew people up with consumer devices. My number one concern is my own safety.