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You're not grasping the point, which I don't necessarily blame you. Imagine that to cook that pork chop, the chef starts by butchering a live pig. Also imagine

You're not grasping the point, which I don't necessarily blame you. Imagine that to cook that pork chop, the chef starts by butchering a live pig. Also imagine that he does that in view of everyone in the restaurant rather than in the "backyard" kitchen let alone a separate butchering facility hundreds of miles away. That's the sushi chef butchering and serving a live fish he grabbed from the tank behind him. When you can actually see where your food is coming from and what "food" truly even is, that gives you a better grasp on reality and life. It's also the true meaning behind the often used joke that goes: "You don't want to see how sausages are made."

Eisenstein 2y ago
I grasp the point just fine, but you haven't convinced me that it is correct. The issue most people would have with seeing the sausage being made isn't necessarily watching the slaughtering process but with seeing pieces of the animal used for food that they would not want to eat.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  But isn't that the point? If someone is fine eating something so long as he is ignorant or naive, doesn't that point to a detachment from reality?
  - Eisenstein 2y ago
    I wouldn't want to eat a cockroach regardless of whether I saw it being prepared or not. The point I am making is that 'feeling sick' and not wanting to eat something isn't about being disconnected from the food. Few people would care if you cut off a piece of steak from a hanging slab and grilled it in front of them, but would find it gross to pick up all the little pieces of gristle and organ meat that fell onto the floor, grind it all up, shove it into an intestine, and cook it.
    - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
      > Few people would care if you cut off a piece of steak from a hanging slab The analogy here would be watching a live cow get slaughtered and then butchered from scratch in front of you, which I think most Western audiences (more than a few) might not like.
      - abduhl 2y ago
        Most audiences wouldn’t like freshly butchered cow - freshly butchered meat is tough and not very flavorful, it needs to be aged to allow it to tenderize and develop.
        ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
        The point is that most Western audiences would likely find it unpleasant to be there for the slaughtering and butchering from scratch.
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        That the point is being repeated to no effect ironically illustrates how most modern people (westerners?) are detached from reality with regards to food.
        Eisenstein 2y ago
        To me, the logical conclusion is that they don't agree with your example and think that you are making connections that aren't evidenced from it. I think you are doing the same exact thing with the above statement as well.
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        In the modern era, most of the things the commons come across have been "sanitized"; we do a really good job of hiding all the unpleasant things. Of course, this means modern day commons have a fairly skewed "sanitized" impression of reality who will get shocked awake if or when they see what is usually hidden (eg: butchering of food animals). That you insist on contriving one zany situation after another instead of just admitting that people today are detached from reality illustrates my point rather ironically. Whether it's butchering animals or mining rare earths or whatever else, there's a lot of disturbing facets to reality that most people are blissfully unaware of. Ignorance is bliss.
  - sensanaty 2y ago
    I grew up with my farmer grandpa who was a butcher, and I've seen him butcher lots of animals. I always have and probably always will find tongues & brains disgusting, even though I'm used to seeing how the sausage is made (literally). Some things just tickle the brain in a bad way. I've killed plenty of fish myself, but I still wouldn't want to eat one that's still moving in my mouth, not because of ickiness or whatever, but just because the concept is unappealing. I don't think this is anywhere near as binary as you make it seem, really.

Eisenstein 2y ago

I grasp the point just fine, but you haven't convinced me that it is correct. The issue most people would have with seeing the sausage being made isn't necessarily watching the slaughtering process but with seeing pieces of the animal used for food that they would not want to eat.

Dalewyn 2y ago
But isn't that the point? If someone is fine eating something so long as he is ignorant or naive, doesn't that point to a detachment from reality?
- Eisenstein 2y ago
  I wouldn't want to eat a cockroach regardless of whether I saw it being prepared or not. The point I am making is that 'feeling sick' and not wanting to eat something isn't about being disconnected from the food. Few people would care if you cut off a piece of steak from a hanging slab and grilled it in front of them, but would find it gross to pick up all the little pieces of gristle and organ meat that fell onto the floor, grind it all up, shove it into an intestine, and cook it.
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    > Few people would care if you cut off a piece of steak from a hanging slab The analogy here would be watching a live cow get slaughtered and then butchered from scratch in front of you, which I think most Western audiences (more than a few) might not like.
    - abduhl 2y ago
      Most audiences wouldn’t like freshly butchered cow - freshly butchered meat is tough and not very flavorful, it needs to be aged to allow it to tenderize and develop.
      - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
        The point is that most Western audiences would likely find it unpleasant to be there for the slaughtering and butchering from scratch.
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        That the point is being repeated to no effect ironically illustrates how most modern people (westerners?) are detached from reality with regards to food.
        Eisenstein 2y ago
        To me, the logical conclusion is that they don't agree with your example and think that you are making connections that aren't evidenced from it. I think you are doing the same exact thing with the above statement as well.
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        In the modern era, most of the things the commons come across have been "sanitized"; we do a really good job of hiding all the unpleasant things. Of course, this means modern day commons have a fairly skewed "sanitized" impression of reality who will get shocked awake if or when they see what is usually hidden (eg: butchering of food animals). That you insist on contriving one zany situation after another instead of just admitting that people today are detached from reality illustrates my point rather ironically. Whether it's butchering animals or mining rare earths or whatever else, there's a lot of disturbing facets to reality that most people are blissfully unaware of. Ignorance is bliss.
- sensanaty 2y ago
  I grew up with my farmer grandpa who was a butcher, and I've seen him butcher lots of animals. I always have and probably always will find tongues & brains disgusting, even though I'm used to seeing how the sausage is made (literally). Some things just tickle the brain in a bad way. I've killed plenty of fish myself, but I still wouldn't want to eat one that's still moving in my mouth, not because of ickiness or whatever, but just because the concept is unappealing. I don't think this is anywhere near as binary as you make it seem, really.