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To 4+ billion customers. Not possible at any realistic company size. If you or any person figured out how to do such a thing you’d be the next trillion $ compa

To 4+ billion customers. Not possible at any realistic company size. If you or any person figured out how to do such a thing you’d be the next trillion $ company.

4oo4 2y ago
That's a consequence of growth they should have thought of and a basic part of running any business. At least in the US Attorneys General are being forced to do this work for them. It's essentially the only way to get a hacked Facebook/Instagram account recovered. https://www.engadget.com/41-state-attorneys-general-tell-meta-to-fix-their-customer-support-for-hacking-victims-184709904.html https://www.engadget.com/41-state-attorneys-general-tell-met...
- SideQuark 2y ago
  No, attny generals chase things that raise their political stature. They’re political. Every single one of the 50 are dem or republican: 0 independent. They’ll make noise about this because it riles a loud minority. If they really wanted it fixed then pass laws. They don’t, because they also like business.
Retric 2y ago
Users in low wage countries with minimal profit per customer doesn’t preclude US / Canadian tech support where they get 20+x the revenue per user. They are making 10+$/month per user for a few hundred million, and have a large profit margin that easily pays for basic tech support.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
The corps want you to believe that but it's not true. India requires direct customer support by law.
- SideQuark 2y ago
  It’s math. They don’t need me to believe anything. They provide support in India to meet local laws.
mafuy 2y ago
If your scaling requires you to ignore some laws and regulations, maybe your scaling is just a wet dream that should not become reality, and still attempting it should be punished. It's just the cost of doing business.
- SideQuark 2y ago
  No laws or regulations were broken. If your desire to punish things which anger you means you ignore laws, maybe the problem isn’t the company.
andrepd 2y ago
Nonsense. It's (moderately) expensive, it's a cost. It's far from impossible, the proof of that being that huge companies did and do provide customer support. Big tech loves "stripping unnecessary fluff" and "being efficient". Turns out the "unnecessary" stuff is there for a reason. The automatic management + zero customer support is dystopian to say the least.
- SideQuark 2y ago
  Do the math (which I did for another in this post). Saying nonsense to basic arithmetic is ignorant. Don’t like the service, don’t use it. Same as every company.
ben-schaaf 2y ago
Considering their profit is on the order of 100 billion, providing proper customer support does actually seem entirely realistic.
- SideQuark 2y ago
  Meta net profit 2023 was $40B. Revenue is not profit. AT&T has 100M customers, 40k customer service reps, avg wage $20/hr full time, i.e., $40k/year each. If you simply scale this 5B customers would need 2M customer service reps. That’s $80B in wages. With no legal need, and since people use their services more by choice more than just about any other company’s product on the planet, it would seem they’re doing just fine.
  - cocoa19 2y ago
    Are they really customers if they don’t pay?
    - SideQuark 2y ago
      If they're not customers then there's really no need for customer support, right? So why would they complain? :)
create-username 2y ago
How many billions do they make an hour? How many human hours of Indian and Philippine wages can they pay?

To 4+ billion customers. Not possible at any realistic company size. If you or any person figured out how to do such a thing you’d be the next trillion $ company.

4oo4 2y ago

That's a consequence of growth they should have thought of and a basic part of running any business. At least in the US Attorneys General are being forced to do this work for them. It's essentially the only way to get a hacked Facebook/Instagram account recovered. https://www.engadget.com/41-state-attorneys-general-tell-meta-to-fix-their-customer-support-for-hacking-victims-184709904.html https://www.engadget.com/41-state-attorneys-general-tell-met...

SideQuark 2y ago
No, attny generals chase things that raise their political stature. They’re political. Every single one of the 50 are dem or republican: 0 independent. They’ll make noise about this because it riles a loud minority. If they really wanted it fixed then pass laws. They don’t, because they also like business.

Retric 2y ago

Users in low wage countries with minimal profit per customer doesn’t preclude US / Canadian tech support where they get 20+x the revenue per user. They are making 10+$/month per user for a few hundred million, and have a large profit margin that easily pays for basic tech support.

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago

The corps want you to believe that but it's not true. India requires direct customer support by law.

SideQuark 2y ago
It’s math. They don’t need me to believe anything. They provide support in India to meet local laws.

mafuy 2y ago

If your scaling requires you to ignore some laws and regulations, maybe your scaling is just a wet dream that should not become reality, and still attempting it should be punished. It's just the cost of doing business.

SideQuark 2y ago
No laws or regulations were broken. If your desire to punish things which anger you means you ignore laws, maybe the problem isn’t the company.

andrepd 2y ago

Nonsense. It's (moderately) expensive, it's a cost. It's far from impossible, the proof of that being that huge companies did and do provide customer support. Big tech loves "stripping unnecessary fluff" and "being efficient". Turns out the "unnecessary" stuff is there for a reason. The automatic management + zero customer support is dystopian to say the least.

SideQuark 2y ago
Do the math (which I did for another in this post). Saying nonsense to basic arithmetic is ignorant. Don’t like the service, don’t use it. Same as every company.

ben-schaaf 2y ago

Considering their profit is on the order of 100 billion, providing proper customer support does actually seem entirely realistic.

SideQuark 2y ago
Meta net profit 2023 was $40B. Revenue is not profit. AT&T has 100M customers, 40k customer service reps, avg wage $20/hr full time, i.e., $40k/year each. If you simply scale this 5B customers would need 2M customer service reps. That’s $80B in wages. With no legal need, and since people use their services more by choice more than just about any other company’s product on the planet, it would seem they’re doing just fine.
- cocoa19 2y ago
  Are they really customers if they don’t pay?
  - SideQuark 2y ago
    If they're not customers then there's really no need for customer support, right? So why would they complain? :)

create-username 2y ago

How many billions do they make an hour? How many human hours of Indian and Philippine wages can they pay?