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> Killing endangered species is illegal. It does not matter If is "just one" or "just a few" eagles. Well, yes it actually does, legally at least.

lazide 2y ago
Also, if a bird kills itself, that isn’t illegal. Even if members of it’s species consistently does it on your particular window.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  It could be illegal actually. Even if you install some obstacle near eagle's nest I heard you can be criminally charged. But if you install power lines and eagles kill themselves or you poison some animals and eagles die from eating them you are in the clear
  - lazide 2y ago
    Only if you do it with the intent (or prior knowledge) that will happen. If they just like suiciding against a specific window of yours for no apparent reason, then you’re fine.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      Not really. If you build this window or whatever close enough to eagle base and eagle dies on it incidentally or it is found to be simply disturbed by it you are still criminally liable https://www.fws.gov/program/eagle-management/eagle-incidental-disturbance-and-nest-take-permits https://www.fws.gov/program/eagle-management/eagle-incidenta... I hope you didn't disturb any eagles lately;) (Unless you have a permit. If you are powerline company you are allowed unlimited incidental kills for example. Or if you are wind power company you can apply for a permit for thousand incidental kills or something)
      - lazide 2y ago
        Having read through that, there is zero chance you could actually violate that doing any sort of reasonable or normal construction. Or do you have an example where someone built a house in a reasonable fashion, an eagle ran into it, and the owner or construction company was charged? You’d have to build right next to an active nest, or intentionally design the building to be a hazard in an area they were nesting/living. Which goes to my comment.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        If you unintentionally violate a law it does not mean you're not guilty. Which goes to my comment. "if a bird kills itself, that isn’t illegal" is simply false per this law. Even if the bird doesn't kill itself but simply judged to "can't reproduce" due to your intentional or unintentional action you are guilty. If you think this is illogical and unenforceable welcome to the club;)
        lazide 2y ago
        You literally did not address any of my points. The law does not say what you seem to think it says either.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        I addressed all of them. Ignorance of the law is not an alibi. Even removal of potential eagle habitat which building a house in the wrong place could be is a violation. Even without causing any incidental kills or disturbance. Read it! It's fun.
        lazide 2y ago
        And do you have any examples of that ever actually happening? Like I asked, and you completely ignored?
        2y ago

lazide 2y ago

Also, if a bird kills itself, that isn’t illegal. Even if members of it’s species consistently does it on your particular window.

throwaway290 2y ago
It could be illegal actually. Even if you install some obstacle near eagle's nest I heard you can be criminally charged. But if you install power lines and eagles kill themselves or you poison some animals and eagles die from eating them you are in the clear
- lazide 2y ago
  Only if you do it with the intent (or prior knowledge) that will happen. If they just like suiciding against a specific window of yours for no apparent reason, then you’re fine.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    Not really. If you build this window or whatever close enough to eagle base and eagle dies on it incidentally or it is found to be simply disturbed by it you are still criminally liable https://www.fws.gov/program/eagle-management/eagle-incidental-disturbance-and-nest-take-permits https://www.fws.gov/program/eagle-management/eagle-incidenta... I hope you didn't disturb any eagles lately;) (Unless you have a permit. If you are powerline company you are allowed unlimited incidental kills for example. Or if you are wind power company you can apply for a permit for thousand incidental kills or something)
    - lazide 2y ago
      Having read through that, there is zero chance you could actually violate that doing any sort of reasonable or normal construction. Or do you have an example where someone built a house in a reasonable fashion, an eagle ran into it, and the owner or construction company was charged? You’d have to build right next to an active nest, or intentionally design the building to be a hazard in an area they were nesting/living. Which goes to my comment.
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        If you unintentionally violate a law it does not mean you're not guilty. Which goes to my comment. "if a bird kills itself, that isn’t illegal" is simply false per this law. Even if the bird doesn't kill itself but simply judged to "can't reproduce" due to your intentional or unintentional action you are guilty. If you think this is illogical and unenforceable welcome to the club;)
        lazide 2y ago
        You literally did not address any of my points. The law does not say what you seem to think it says either.
        throwaway290 2y ago
        I addressed all of them. Ignorance of the law is not an alibi. Even removal of potential eagle habitat which building a house in the wrong place could be is a violation. Even without causing any incidental kills or disturbance. Read it! It's fun.
        lazide 2y ago
        And do you have any examples of that ever actually happening? Like I asked, and you completely ignored?
        2y ago