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But the biggest fallacy in this PR stunt is that outrageous "we don't know, nothing to see here": Windmill company ESI Energy LLC, guilty of killing 150 bald a

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• croes 2y ago
  Have you looked at the Highways? And we are talking about skyscrapers not simply houses.
• ChrisMarshallNY 2y ago
  We have them around here. In fact, there’s even a Facebook page for a local nesting pair. They mostly eat eels, so water pollution is their worst enemy. The thing that often gets raptors, is rat poison. It also kills cats. Rats seem to thrive, no matter what we throw at them. It’s generally a good idea to keep cats indoors. I read a statistic that outdoor cats live dramatically shorter lives than indoor ones.
• throwawayqqq11 2y ago
  > we don't know, nothing to see here > ESI Energy LLC, guilty of killing 150 eagles > how much bald eagles crashed against your house? We dont know the statistical extend but we can measure very accurately in smaller areas especially large and endangered birds. This is why (in my country) you have to study the local bird population before you get your permission to build your windmills. Something ESI should have done, even if we perfectly knew the statistics of all birds killed by windmills globally.
  • throwaway290 2y ago
    But what about migrating birds?
• throwaway290 2y ago
  > Windmill company ESI Energy LLC, guilty of killing 150 bald and golden eagles in 8 USA states [1][2] Read the case. They were guilty of basically not getting a permit. If they got a permit their incidental kills can be thousand+ per project. They are a "least concern" category. > But the biggest fallacy in this PR stunt is that outrageous "we don't know, nothing to see here" The fallacy is saying this is a concern while not having measurements showing it is a bigger concern than other things like illegal shooting or lead poison or rat poison or power lines or skyscraper windows. If the windmill fighters actually care about birds maybe they could fund these studies. Do they fund these bird studies or just don't want wind energy for whatever reason (like investing into fossil fuels)? If they fund those bird studies why don't we have the measurements. Meanwhile there are no permits for killing eagles with rat poison (every death is illegal but who's counting?). Meanwhile every power line operator is given unlimited permit for incidental bald eagle kills. But yes wind turbines, the big enemy of bird lovers.
  • pvaldes 2y ago
    > Read the case, They were guilty of basically not getting a permit. ESI pleaded guilty to three counts of violating the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, (because their facilities killed, at least, 150 endangered eagles). The court sentenced ESI to a fine of $1,861,600, restitution in the amount of $6,210,991, and a five-year period of probation So yep, basically, a little tiny, 8 millions worth, paperwork problem. > Meanwhile there are no permits for killing eagles with rat poison Wow, that is super-unfair!. If you think that the US government should grant permits to people craving to kill endangered eagles with rat poison, write your local governor about your concern. This must be a traditional local sport somewhere. > The fallacy is saying this is a concern Is a concern > while not having measurements showing it is a bigger concern than <whatabout that>, <whatabout this?> (read this with the music of Dragostea Din Tei in your mind) Is still a concern
    • throwaway290 2y ago
      > So yep, basically, a little tiny, 8 millions worth, paperwork problem. Lol. Paperwork problems can be very costly my friend, welcome to life > Is a concern So you agree with me, since as I wrote it is a concern. A low one. If you want to measure it against other concerns, the avid bird lover that you are, we are all waiting for your numbers;) And bald eagles specifically least concern by US law