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> The US is near the all-time high record high number of housing units per capita. And that would be a reasonable thing to say if housing was a national issue,

by SR2Z 2y ago

> The US is near the all-time high record high number of housing units per capita. And that would be a reasonable thing to say if housing was a national issue, but it's not. It's always been a local and regional issue. The United States does not benefit by moving people into decrepit houses in the Midwest. People should live where there are jobs and opportunities - they should CHOOSE where they live. The individual regions of the United States with extreme housing prices are NOT near record housing per capita levels. They've dramatically underbuilt compared to how they've grown. > There is absolutely no housing crisis of any kind. There is a _density_ crisis, that is forcing people into unaffordable locations. Any kind of regional issue is a "density crisis" by this logic. Shortage of plumbers? "Density crisis." Hurricane hit the town and now a lot of people need to be rescued? "Density crisis." Sewer line burst and now it smells? "Density crisis." This is a shortage of housing where people need it. If your entire point rests on you pretending "housing shortage" means something else, well... that's not very convincing.

cyberax 2y ago
> The United States does not benefit by moving people into decrepit houses in the Midwest. People should live where there are jobs and opportunities - they should CHOOSE where they live. So you want Midwest to be a toxic dumping ground? Why do you hate America? > Any kind of regional issue is a "density crisis" by this logic. No. The density crisis happens when cities _increase_ the density. And it can NOT be solved. No way, no how. There is not a SINGLE city in Europe, Japan, or the US that managed to lower the housing sale prices by increasing density. Not one. > This is a shortage of housing where people need it. No. There's a crisis of density that forces people to move where they might not want to go. Most people do not _want_ to live in dense slums, but they can't afford _not_ to.
- JambalayaJimbo 2y ago
  The “dense slums” happen to be the most desirable areas of the country. People live in dense areas because they want access to their amenities.
- SR2Z 2y ago
  > No way, no how. There is not a SINGLE city in Europe, Japan, or the US that managed to lower the housing sale prices by increasing density. Not one. Kindly take a look at the city of Berkeley. This statement is just wrong.

by SR2Z 2y ago

cyberax 2y ago

> The United States does not benefit by moving people into decrepit houses in the Midwest. People should live where there are jobs and opportunities - they should CHOOSE where they live. So you want Midwest to be a toxic dumping ground? Why do you hate America? > Any kind of regional issue is a "density crisis" by this logic. No. The density crisis happens when cities _increase_ the density. And it can NOT be solved. No way, no how. There is not a SINGLE city in Europe, Japan, or the US that managed to lower the housing sale prices by increasing density. Not one. > This is a shortage of housing where people need it. No. There's a crisis of density that forces people to move where they might not want to go. Most people do not _want_ to live in dense slums, but they can't afford _not_ to.

JambalayaJimbo 2y ago
The “dense slums” happen to be the most desirable areas of the country. People live in dense areas because they want access to their amenities.
SR2Z 2y ago
> No way, no how. There is not a SINGLE city in Europe, Japan, or the US that managed to lower the housing sale prices by increasing density. Not one. Kindly take a look at the city of Berkeley. This statement is just wrong.