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Incorrect -- the "genocide" in Dresden killed only 20,000 germans but helped the war effort for the allies -- preventing our causalities and mitigating further

by p3rls 2y ago

Incorrect -- the "genocide" in Dresden killed only 20,000 germans but helped the war effort for the allies -- preventing our causalities and mitigating further nazi atrocities (auschwitz alone was almost doubling that 20k kill count each week btw). Of course the efficacy of the raid is another matter. It was a "good genocide"

aguaviva 2y ago
(auschwitz alone was almost doubling that 20k kill count each week btw) Perhaps in its record week. But "each week", no. In fact its average was 4-5k per week. Meanwhile, it is unlikely that the Dresden bombing (occuring as it did just 3 months before the end of the war, after Auschwitz and nearly all the other camps in the East had been liberated) did much of anything to hasten the end of the war, let alone to mitigate any further atrocities. That's why it gets so much attention. From just the sheer senselessness of it.
- p3rls 2y ago
  These post-hoc determinations of senselessness are retarded. You are at war with Nazi Germany and you're doing everything in your power to bring the war to a close and in war sometimes your attacks aren't as effective as you'd like.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    There's more to it than that. Many responsible historians have looked into the question of why the Allies found it necessary to make a point of deliberately targeting civilians during the strategic campaign (while not even attempting to target the actual killing machinery of the Final Solution itself). The bombings were really quite horrific, too. Dresden was by no means an outlier, in this regard. But if you want just say that this investigation is just all retarded, then that's your right I guess.
fuzzfactor 2y ago
>Dresden killed only 20,000 >It was a "good genocide" How good could it get? I worked with a German machinist from there who had experienced it at the time. He didn't think it was so good, and it was a very long time afterwards. Me neither the more I knew. Just doing his job back when he was a teenager, like I was when we were doing our project. Not really sure even then if we were contributing to a military device or not. But it's a high-tech factory, so. And he was one of the lucky survivors. Think how everybody else felt. As they were dying. They were his friends and co-workers. Who shared their last words with him. They hated America worse than ever. Not easy to forget. But he was still able to forgive the average American, including me, and build real friendship. I even played in his polka band a little. Would still have the sheet music if it wasn't for a damn hurricane.

by p3rls 2y ago

aguaviva 2y ago

(auschwitz alone was almost doubling that 20k kill count each week btw) Perhaps in its record week. But "each week", no. In fact its average was 4-5k per week. Meanwhile, it is unlikely that the Dresden bombing (occuring as it did just 3 months before the end of the war, after Auschwitz and nearly all the other camps in the East had been liberated) did much of anything to hasten the end of the war, let alone to mitigate any further atrocities. That's why it gets so much attention. From just the sheer senselessness of it.

p3rls 2y ago
These post-hoc determinations of senselessness are retarded. You are at war with Nazi Germany and you're doing everything in your power to bring the war to a close and in war sometimes your attacks aren't as effective as you'd like.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  There's more to it than that. Many responsible historians have looked into the question of why the Allies found it necessary to make a point of deliberately targeting civilians during the strategic campaign (while not even attempting to target the actual killing machinery of the Final Solution itself). The bombings were really quite horrific, too. Dresden was by no means an outlier, in this regard. But if you want just say that this investigation is just all retarded, then that's your right I guess.

fuzzfactor 2y ago

>Dresden killed only 20,000 >It was a "good genocide" How good could it get? I worked with a German machinist from there who had experienced it at the time. He didn't think it was so good, and it was a very long time afterwards. Me neither the more I knew. Just doing his job back when he was a teenager, like I was when we were doing our project. Not really sure even then if we were contributing to a military device or not. But it's a high-tech factory, so. And he was one of the lucky survivors. Think how everybody else felt. As they were dying. They were his friends and co-workers. Who shared their last words with him. They hated America worse than ever. Not easy to forget. But he was still able to forgive the average American, including me, and build real friendship. I even played in his polka band a little. Would still have the sheet music if it wasn't for a damn hurricane.