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While all of these should be done (well not the one-state solution, but nobody really considering it anyway), how do you think it will stop the terrorist attack

While all of these should be done (well not the one-state solution, but nobody really considering it anyway), how do you think it will stop the terrorist attacks?

_yb2s 2y ago
I'm assuming that the average Palestinian feels persecuted, and is willing to support Hamas as the only group they see actively trying to do something about that, even if they don't love Hamas's methods. This support would evaporate quickly if they felt they were being treated like human beings. If I were Palestinian and terrified for my family, I could see actively donating to and supporting Hamas, while also absolutely hating them and their methods, and longing for some other option.
- okokhacker 2y ago
  How can they hate their methods if far worse methods are being used against them? Besides, do you think someone in a war zone has the capability to support, or better yet, donate to a militant group when they’re on the brink of starving?
- EvgeniyZh 2y ago
  Exactly! Remember when Hamas was elected? In 2006, a year after Israel disengaged, removed all Israeli settlements, gave up control of Gaza-Egypt border. Gaza elects Hamas, whose charter (at least then, 2017 version is toned down) is openly antisemitic, talks about jihad, killing Jews, protocols of elder Zion and Palestine from the river to the sea. Giving terrorists more power as they actively talking about killing civilians is insane, however bad you feel for Palestinians. That's why the first step is the removal of Hamas, whatever the next steps are.
  - z3ncyberpunk 2y ago
    Israel gave up nothing and to say Hamas was "elected" is a hilarious twist of facts. > Giving terrorists more power as they actively talking about killing civilians is insane Funny, because that's exactly what Israelis are doing.
afiori 2y ago
At some point IRA stopped bombing the UK, was it because the UK destroyed Ireland or was it through compromise? (With also the bonus analogy of: would it have helped if the RAF had bombed Dublin during talks?)
- EvgeniyZh 2y ago
  They did [1], didn't they? Though they didn't claim that whole UK belongs to them... [1] https://belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/new-ira-plotting-bomb-outrage-to-upstage-president-bidens-belfast-visit/985315646.html https://belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/new-ira-plot...

While all of these should be done (well not the one-state solution, but nobody really considering it anyway), how do you think it will stop the terrorist attacks?

_yb2s 2y ago

I'm assuming that the average Palestinian feels persecuted, and is willing to support Hamas as the only group they see actively trying to do something about that, even if they don't love Hamas's methods. This support would evaporate quickly if they felt they were being treated like human beings. If I were Palestinian and terrified for my family, I could see actively donating to and supporting Hamas, while also absolutely hating them and their methods, and longing for some other option.

okokhacker 2y ago
How can they hate their methods if far worse methods are being used against them? Besides, do you think someone in a war zone has the capability to support, or better yet, donate to a militant group when they’re on the brink of starving?
EvgeniyZh 2y ago
Exactly! Remember when Hamas was elected? In 2006, a year after Israel disengaged, removed all Israeli settlements, gave up control of Gaza-Egypt border. Gaza elects Hamas, whose charter (at least then, 2017 version is toned down) is openly antisemitic, talks about jihad, killing Jews, protocols of elder Zion and Palestine from the river to the sea. Giving terrorists more power as they actively talking about killing civilians is insane, however bad you feel for Palestinians. That's why the first step is the removal of Hamas, whatever the next steps are.
- z3ncyberpunk 2y ago
  Israel gave up nothing and to say Hamas was "elected" is a hilarious twist of facts. > Giving terrorists more power as they actively talking about killing civilians is insane Funny, because that's exactly what Israelis are doing.

afiori 2y ago

At some point IRA stopped bombing the UK, was it because the UK destroyed Ireland or was it through compromise? (With also the bonus analogy of: would it have helped if the RAF had bombed Dublin during talks?)

EvgeniyZh 2y ago
They did [1], didn't they? Though they didn't claim that whole UK belongs to them... [1] https://belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/new-ira-plotting-bomb-outrage-to-upstage-president-bidens-belfast-visit/985315646.html https://belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/new-ira-plot...