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This was actually discovered quite early on in the history of AI: > Rodney Brooks explains that, according to early AI research, intelligence was "best charact

by oblio 2y ago

This was actually discovered quite early on in the history of AI: > Rodney Brooks explains that, according to early AI research, intelligence was "best characterized as the things that highly educated male scientists found challenging", such as chess, symbolic integration, proving mathematical theorems and solving complicated word algebra problems. "The things that children of four or five years could do effortlessly, such as visually distinguishing between a coffee cup and a chair, or walking around on two legs, or finding their way from their bedroom to the living room were not thought of as activities requiring intelligence." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox

bawolff 2y ago
I don't know why people always feel the need to gender these things. Highly educated female scientists generally find the same things challenging.
- robocat 2y ago
  I don't know why anyone would blame people as though someone is making an explicit choice. I find your choice of words to be insulting to the OP. We learn our language and stereotypes subconciously from our society, and it is no easy thing to fight against that.
- Barrin92 2y ago
  >I don't know why people always feel the need to gender these things Because it's relevant to the point being made, i.e. that these tests reflect the biases and interests of the people who make them. This is true not just for AI tests, but intelligence test applied to humans. That Demis Hassabis, a chess player and video game designer, decided to test his machine on video games, Go and chess probably is not an accident. The more interesting question is why people respond so apprehensively to pointing out a very obvious problem and bias in test design.
  - bawolff 2y ago
    > i.e. that these tests reflect the biases and interests of the people who make them Of course. However i believe we can't move past that without being honest about where these biases are coming from. Many things in our world are the result of gender bias, both subtle and overt. However, at least at first glance, this does not appear to be one of them, and statements like the grandparent's quote serve to perpetuate such biases further.
    - oblio 2y ago
      It's a quote from the 80s from the original author (who is a man...)... Thank you for virtue signalling, though.
      - bawolff 2y ago
        > It's a quote from the 80s from the original author (who is a man...)... Yes, that was pretty clear in the original comment (?)
        oblio 2y ago
        Then remove the parts that offend your modern sensibilities and focus on the essence. He was right. Scientists were focusing on the "science-y" bits and completely missed the elephant in the room, that the thing a toddler already masters are the monster challenge for AI right now, before we even get into "meaning of life" type stuff.

by oblio 2y ago

bawolff 2y ago

I don't know why people always feel the need to gender these things. Highly educated female scientists generally find the same things challenging.

robocat 2y ago
I don't know why anyone would blame people as though someone is making an explicit choice. I find your choice of words to be insulting to the OP. We learn our language and stereotypes subconciously from our society, and it is no easy thing to fight against that.
Barrin92 2y ago
>I don't know why people always feel the need to gender these things Because it's relevant to the point being made, i.e. that these tests reflect the biases and interests of the people who make them. This is true not just for AI tests, but intelligence test applied to humans. That Demis Hassabis, a chess player and video game designer, decided to test his machine on video games, Go and chess probably is not an accident. The more interesting question is why people respond so apprehensively to pointing out a very obvious problem and bias in test design.
- bawolff 2y ago
  > i.e. that these tests reflect the biases and interests of the people who make them Of course. However i believe we can't move past that without being honest about where these biases are coming from. Many things in our world are the result of gender bias, both subtle and overt. However, at least at first glance, this does not appear to be one of them, and statements like the grandparent's quote serve to perpetuate such biases further.
  - oblio 2y ago
    It's a quote from the 80s from the original author (who is a man...)... Thank you for virtue signalling, though.
    - bawolff 2y ago
      > It's a quote from the 80s from the original author (who is a man...)... Yes, that was pretty clear in the original comment (?)
      - oblio 2y ago
        Then remove the parts that offend your modern sensibilities and focus on the essence. He was right. Scientists were focusing on the "science-y" bits and completely missed the elephant in the room, that the thing a toddler already masters are the monster challenge for AI right now, before we even get into "meaning of life" type stuff.