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> But, according to data released Tuesday, the number of eighth, 10th, and 12th graders who collectively abstained from the use of alcohol, marijuana, or nicoti

by Izkata 2y ago

> But, according to data released Tuesday, the number of eighth, 10th, and 12th graders who collectively abstained from the use of alcohol, marijuana, or nicotine hit a new high this year. Use of illicit drugs also fell on the whole and use of non-heroin narcotics (Vicodin, OxyContin, Percocet) hit an all-time low. From an unexpected conversation with some younger people not long ago (though not this young), they may have just switched to LSD.

fullshark 2y ago
They switched to smartphones
- smartmic 2y ago
  This. And what about the psychosocial consequences, will it be an improvement compared to the other substances? I doubt it.
  - prerok 2y ago
    While I don't think smartphone addiction should be taken lightly, it's still a far cry from substance abuse.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      I'm not so sure, especially if you look at the sum societal impact, and not just the worst outcomes. My personal take is that the net social impact is positive for alcohol, marijuana, hallucinogens, and maybe some of the party drugs. For most people, they tend to be a social lubricant, tool for exploration, and source of fun. I think that smartphone use probably balances out negatively. I think for most people, they have a pretty severe negative impact on their lives, and for some, an extremely negative impact. The worst outcomes for drug use are probably worse than those for smartphones, but not by too much in my opinion.
    - Nextgrid 2y ago
      Substance abuse is pretty much universally understood to be wrong (including by the addicts themselves, but they lack the help to get out of it). Social media usage on the other hand has been normalized and now humanity's social fabric is in the control of a few companies who are happy to rent it out to the highest bidder. This has obvious implications regarding democracy, surveillance, misinformation, etc. From a society perspective, I'll take substance/alcohol abuse any day because it appears to be self-regulating at a level that while is higher than we'd like, is much lower than what it takes to destabilize society and democracy.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    > will it be an improvement compared to the other substances? I doubt it Smartphone addiction beats having cirrhosis. Therapy's cheaper than a liver transplant.
carlosjobim 2y ago
You don't use LSD habitually. If they switched to LSD, then that's very interesting.
- codr7 2y ago
  Some do, and that's fine too.
  - kamikazeturtles 2y ago
    “If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen.” ― Alan Watts
    - codr7 2y ago
      Even Alan Watts wasn't right about everything. This is fine as far as his personal preferences go; as for everyone else, none of his business.
  - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
    LSD is not a drug that you can develop an addiction to. Habit is one thing—some people take it regularly—but it doesn't work very well if you do take it frequently. Which is not to say that LSD can't potentially be harmful. Of course it can. But it's not very analogous to the typically destructive drugs (alcohol, amphetamines, strong opiates) and it's not going to mess with your dopamine the way they do.
    - codr7 2y ago
      You can develop a psychological addiction to any experience, and some like LSD. Once every week or so for a while is perfectly doable. Agreed, very different kinds of substances.
  - pvaldes 2y ago
    > Some do, and that's fine too. And those should learn something from Syd Barret's life Could had been a millionaire rock star, women, expensive toys, children. He could had everything for the rest of his life. But he choose LSD. As a lot of people claim, LSD is a cool and harmless funny drug, right?. His life instead was: living in his mum house since 24 Yo, with his brain like a car crash, and all the time in the world to think on his boy room about how he managed to mess up his life so badly. So thanks, but no way.
jsheard 2y ago
Notably absent from those stats is nitrous oxide, which has had a resurgence in popularity lately. https://archive.is/wRa3Q https://archive.is/wRa3Q
- cbdhsjshs 2y ago
  wowowowow Ketamine too. Mine comes in the mail from doctor that's conducting a 'safery trial'. They've never asked for feedback from me, and have never pushed back on me requesting a higher dosage.
_yb2s 2y ago
Anyone that has experienced LSD would know that what you are saying is impossible and makes zero sense. Other than both being chemicals, the effects are so radically different that they have no interchangeable purpose. Specifically LSD cannot be used to escape trauma or negative emotions, if anything it does the opposite and makes you confront them head on, often terrifyingly so, and as such LSD has something like negative addictiveness. It’s like saying someone switched from using staples to orange juice- it’s an incoherent statement.
- Izkata 2y ago
  The study makes no distinction between that and recreational use. "Getting drunk with friends" counted, for example. Besides if anything I'd say current generations have less trauma to avoid so they're more likely to use it than past generations.
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by Izkata 2y ago

fullshark 2y ago

They switched to smartphones

smartmic 2y ago
This. And what about the psychosocial consequences, will it be an improvement compared to the other substances? I doubt it.
- prerok 2y ago
  While I don't think smartphone addiction should be taken lightly, it's still a far cry from substance abuse.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    I'm not so sure, especially if you look at the sum societal impact, and not just the worst outcomes. My personal take is that the net social impact is positive for alcohol, marijuana, hallucinogens, and maybe some of the party drugs. For most people, they tend to be a social lubricant, tool for exploration, and source of fun. I think that smartphone use probably balances out negatively. I think for most people, they have a pretty severe negative impact on their lives, and for some, an extremely negative impact. The worst outcomes for drug use are probably worse than those for smartphones, but not by too much in my opinion.
  - Nextgrid 2y ago
    Substance abuse is pretty much universally understood to be wrong (including by the addicts themselves, but they lack the help to get out of it). Social media usage on the other hand has been normalized and now humanity's social fabric is in the control of a few companies who are happy to rent it out to the highest bidder. This has obvious implications regarding democracy, surveillance, misinformation, etc. From a society perspective, I'll take substance/alcohol abuse any day because it appears to be self-regulating at a level that while is higher than we'd like, is much lower than what it takes to destabilize society and democracy.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > will it be an improvement compared to the other substances? I doubt it Smartphone addiction beats having cirrhosis. Therapy's cheaper than a liver transplant.

carlosjobim 2y ago

You don't use LSD habitually. If they switched to LSD, then that's very interesting.

codr7 2y ago
Some do, and that's fine too.
- kamikazeturtles 2y ago
  “If you get the message, hang up the phone. For psychedelic drugs are simply instruments, like microscopes, telescopes, and telephones. The biologist does not sit with eye permanently glued to the microscope, he goes away and works on what he has seen.” ― Alan Watts
  - codr7 2y ago
    Even Alan Watts wasn't right about everything. This is fine as far as his personal preferences go; as for everyone else, none of his business.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  LSD is not a drug that you can develop an addiction to. Habit is one thing—some people take it regularly—but it doesn't work very well if you do take it frequently. Which is not to say that LSD can't potentially be harmful. Of course it can. But it's not very analogous to the typically destructive drugs (alcohol, amphetamines, strong opiates) and it's not going to mess with your dopamine the way they do.
  - codr7 2y ago
    You can develop a psychological addiction to any experience, and some like LSD. Once every week or so for a while is perfectly doable. Agreed, very different kinds of substances.
- pvaldes 2y ago
  > Some do, and that's fine too. And those should learn something from Syd Barret's life Could had been a millionaire rock star, women, expensive toys, children. He could had everything for the rest of his life. But he choose LSD. As a lot of people claim, LSD is a cool and harmless funny drug, right?. His life instead was: living in his mum house since 24 Yo, with his brain like a car crash, and all the time in the world to think on his boy room about how he managed to mess up his life so badly. So thanks, but no way.

jsheard 2y ago

Notably absent from those stats is nitrous oxide, which has had a resurgence in popularity lately. https://archive.is/wRa3Q https://archive.is/wRa3Q

cbdhsjshs 2y ago
wowowowow Ketamine too. Mine comes in the mail from doctor that's conducting a 'safery trial'. They've never asked for feedback from me, and have never pushed back on me requesting a higher dosage.

_yb2s 2y ago

Anyone that has experienced LSD would know that what you are saying is impossible and makes zero sense. Other than both being chemicals, the effects are so radically different that they have no interchangeable purpose. Specifically LSD cannot be used to escape trauma or negative emotions, if anything it does the opposite and makes you confront them head on, often terrifyingly so, and as such LSD has something like negative addictiveness. It’s like saying someone switched from using staples to orange juice- it’s an incoherent statement.

Izkata 2y ago
The study makes no distinction between that and recreational use. "Getting drunk with friends" counted, for example. Besides if anything I'd say current generations have less trauma to avoid so they're more likely to use it than past generations.
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