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Yes, but those don't help manipulate consumer behavior and awareness.

by coretx 2y ago

ZeroGravitas 2y ago
Apparently the UK government estimated that in 2016 and 2019 the average household saved £11 on their bill due to this feedback from smart meters. This page estimates the cost at £15 so 2/3rds is recovered just from that effect.
- ajb 2y ago
  There's no way it only cost £15 in total to install a smart meter. The cost of the meter has to be at least that much and then you have paying a guy to actually install it (which in my case took 3 attempts and caused a gas leak, which took 4 or 5 guys several hours to fix - although hopefully that's unusual).
  - 6510 2y ago
    Hard to tell, they are all new now, eventually they will all be old. Then we will know what it really costs.
  - hirako2000 2y ago
    It also took 3 attempts for me but they never showed up.
  - Brybry 2y ago
    From a cursory search: £88 to £143 installation cost in the 2019 analysis. [3:p.21] Smart meter hardware cost £36 to £120 [3:p.22] £67 to £107 installation cost in the 2016 analysis. [2:p.12] £15 (in home display) + £44 electric + £57 gas + £29 comms equipment costs [2:p.10] [1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f59f9ed915d74e6229eef/OFFSEN_2016_smart_meters_cost-benefit-update_Part_I_FINAL_VERSION.PDF https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f59f9ed915... [2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f2f8b40f0b62305b859b7/OFFSEN_2016_smart_meters_cost-benefit-update_Part_II_FINAL_VERSION.PDF https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f2f8b40f0b... [3] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d7f54c4e5274a27c2c6d53a/smart-meter-roll-out-cost-benefit-analysis-2019.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d7f54c4e5274...
  - ZeroGravitas 2y ago
    15 pounds cost per year, 11 pounds saving per year, for an average user. Not sure how many years the cost is assumed to be spread over and what the ongoing running costs are but that's the per average customer cost apparently.
    - ajb 2y ago
      Ah, my bad. 15 per year is more plausible

Yes, but those don't help manipulate consumer behavior and awareness.

by coretx 2y ago

Yes, but those don't help manipulate consumer behavior and awareness.

Apparently the UK government estimated that in 2016 and 2019 the average household saved £11 on their bill due to this feedback from smart meters. This page estimates the cost at £15 so 2/3rds is recovered just from that effect.

ajb 2y ago
There's no way it only cost £15 in total to install a smart meter. The cost of the meter has to be at least that much and then you have paying a guy to actually install it (which in my case took 3 attempts and caused a gas leak, which took 4 or 5 guys several hours to fix - although hopefully that's unusual).
- 6510 2y ago
  Hard to tell, they are all new now, eventually they will all be old. Then we will know what it really costs.
- hirako2000 2y ago
  It also took 3 attempts for me but they never showed up.
- Brybry 2y ago
  From a cursory search: £88 to £143 installation cost in the 2019 analysis. [3:p.21] Smart meter hardware cost £36 to £120 [3:p.22] £67 to £107 installation cost in the 2016 analysis. [2:p.12] £15 (in home display) + £44 electric + £57 gas + £29 comms equipment costs [2:p.10] [1] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f59f9ed915d74e6229eef/OFFSEN_2016_smart_meters_cost-benefit-update_Part_I_FINAL_VERSION.PDF https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f59f9ed915... [2] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f2f8b40f0b62305b859b7/OFFSEN_2016_smart_meters_cost-benefit-update_Part_II_FINAL_VERSION.PDF https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7f2f8b40f0b... [3] https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d7f54c4e5274a27c2c6d53a/smart-meter-roll-out-cost-benefit-analysis-2019.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d7f54c4e5274...
- ZeroGravitas 2y ago
  15 pounds cost per year, 11 pounds saving per year, for an average user. Not sure how many years the cost is assumed to be spread over and what the ongoing running costs are but that's the per average customer cost apparently.
  - ajb 2y ago
    Ah, my bad. 15 per year is more plausible