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Remember kids: everything that can, eventually, will be turned against you! Some fun predictions, gathered from other comments + my own: - You ll have to disp

by dgan 2y ago

Remember kids: everything that can, eventually, will be turned against you! Some fun predictions, gathered from other comments + my own: - You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. - They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't. -Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bonus for your medical insurance. - Insurance companies will refuse to insure your ild mechanical car, and will force you to buy a subscription for the new shiny car, that will have to be replaced every N years. - The new car will refuse to drive you at X location because you overused your monthly C02 quota.

returningfory2 2y ago
> - You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. On the contrary, of all my negative experiences biking in NYC over 10 years, the _only_ time I was able to hold a driver accountable was when they were riding a Revel scooter in which case the "faceless company" took them off their platform. This comment seems to significantly overestimate how easy it to hold human drivers accountable.
- acchow 2y ago
  Drivers don’t get held accountable in America. You can actually kill someone without any significant consequences, as long as you do it while driving https://sfist.com/2024/04/18/71-year-old-driver-skates-with-lenient-probation-sentence-in-crash-that-killed-four-year-old-girl/ https://sfist.com/2024/04/18/71-year-old-driver-skates-with-...
  - returningfory2 2y ago
    Yep, fully agree.
acchow 2y ago
Sure, that’s not good, but neither is getting killed along with your whole family, while waiting at a bus stop…? https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/3-month-old-infant-dies-days-west-portal-crash-19327748.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/3-month-old-infa... Also, it’s certainly better than having everyone drive themselves home after drinks at a bar?
gruez 2y ago
>- You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. What does this have to do with self-driving cars? What type of "crucial logs" do today's car even keep? >- They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't. >-Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bonus for your medical insurance. 1. people already carry "wireless tags" everywhere they go. It's called their phone. They don't seem to mind. 2. Why would they do this, when they spent billions into developing lidar? If anything mandating this is bad for them, because it weakens their moat against incumbents, who can develop self-driving systems that are cheaper because they don't need expensive lidar technology to avoid pedestrians. >- Insurance companies will refuse to insure your ild mechanical car, and will force you to buy a subscription for the new shiny car, that will have to be replaced every N years. 1. Insurance companies can theoretically do this today. Why aren't they doing it? Why would they suddenly do it with self driving cars? 2. All of this seems... fine? If you're driving a deathtrap that's a hazard to you and others, and the insurance company is on the hook for the millions of damage you can inflict (if you severely injure someone), they should have the right to refuse coverage. I doubt they'll actually refuse insuring such cars though, it'll just be really expensive. >- The new car will refuse to drive you at X location because you overused your monthly C02 quota. Pure speculation and fearmongering.

by dgan 2y ago

returningfory2 2y ago

> - You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. On the contrary, of all my negative experiences biking in NYC over 10 years, the _only_ time I was able to hold a driver accountable was when they were riding a Revel scooter in which case the "faceless company" took them off their platform. This comment seems to significantly overestimate how easy it to hold human drivers accountable.

acchow 2y ago
Drivers don’t get held accountable in America. You can actually kill someone without any significant consequences, as long as you do it while driving https://sfist.com/2024/04/18/71-year-old-driver-skates-with-lenient-probation-sentence-in-crash-that-killed-four-year-old-girl/ https://sfist.com/2024/04/18/71-year-old-driver-skates-with-...
- returningfory2 2y ago
  Yep, fully agree.

acchow 2y ago

Sure, that’s not good, but neither is getting killed along with your whole family, while waiting at a bus stop…? https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/3-month-old-infant-dies-days-west-portal-crash-19327748.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/3-month-old-infa... Also, it’s certainly better than having everyone drive themselves home after drinks at a bar?

gruez 2y ago

>- You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. What does this have to do with self-driving cars? What type of "crucial logs" do today's car even keep? >- They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't. >-Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bonus for your medical insurance. 1. people already carry "wireless tags" everywhere they go. It's called their phone. They don't seem to mind. 2. Why would they do this, when they spent billions into developing lidar? If anything mandating this is bad for them, because it weakens their moat against incumbents, who can develop self-driving systems that are cheaper because they don't need expensive lidar technology to avoid pedestrians. >- Insurance companies will refuse to insure your ild mechanical car, and will force you to buy a subscription for the new shiny car, that will have to be replaced every N years. 1. Insurance companies can theoretically do this today. Why aren't they doing it? Why would they suddenly do it with self driving cars? 2. All of this seems... fine? If you're driving a deathtrap that's a hazard to you and others, and the insurance company is on the hook for the millions of damage you can inflict (if you severely injure someone), they should have the right to refuse coverage. I doubt they'll actually refuse insuring such cars though, it'll just be really expensive. >- The new car will refuse to drive you at X location because you overused your monthly C02 quota. Pure speculation and fearmongering.