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> It is meant to be listened actively as opposed to having it as background music. The masterpiece hanging in the museum was fully intended to be actively appr

> It is meant to be listened actively as opposed to having it as background music. The masterpiece hanging in the museum was fully intended to be actively appreciated. The background on the box of cereal is ... just a background on a box of cereal. It's still art though.

klez 2y ago
That would be the distinction between "fine art" and "decorative art". Jazz as GP meant it is "fine art", the smooth jazz you hear in the elevator could be classified as decorative art.
- fc417fc802 2y ago
  I think that's a function of the effort, expertise, and intent. I don't think it changes the genre. Smooth, big band, blues, etc - it's all still jazz. A low effort watercolor by an amateur is still (an attempt at) art and remains a watercolor even if no one appreciates it.
dijksterhuis 2y ago
in my personal opinion, which is as valuable as the piece of paper i’m writing this on /s art has no function except to be observed by an audience. if they enjoy it or not is immaterial. its purpose is to be observed. the design of a box of cereal has a purpose - to sell you the box of cereal by making it attractive/stand out/fit the brand. graphic design, when it has purposes beyond being observed, is not art — it’s a craft. like engineering. although graphic design/engineering can become art when it has no purpose except being observed. edit — enjoyment is immaterial and the bits about graphic design can be art etc.
bezkom 2y ago
Most of the masterpieces you see in museums were used as decoration at some point.
- fc417fc802 2y ago
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- wbl 2y ago
  The Pope needed something for his ceiling.
troupo 2y ago
Most masterpieces where literally hanging in the background of some rich person's summer houses, and hunting lodges, and other properties. Thrown out and replaced on a whim.
- mr_toad 2y ago
  Or melted down to make spears and helmets.
- Neonlicht 2y ago
  Art was used by the rich and famous to show off their wealth. In the 19th century countries got into the game (the idea that Dutch masters were ending up in American collections was a national embarrassment).

klez 2y ago

That would be the distinction between "fine art" and "decorative art". Jazz as GP meant it is "fine art", the smooth jazz you hear in the elevator could be classified as decorative art.

fc417fc802 2y ago
I think that's a function of the effort, expertise, and intent. I don't think it changes the genre. Smooth, big band, blues, etc - it's all still jazz. A low effort watercolor by an amateur is still (an attempt at) art and remains a watercolor even if no one appreciates it.

dijksterhuis 2y ago

in my personal opinion, which is as valuable as the piece of paper i’m writing this on /s art has no function except to be observed by an audience. if they enjoy it or not is immaterial. its purpose is to be observed. the design of a box of cereal has a purpose - to sell you the box of cereal by making it attractive/stand out/fit the brand. graphic design, when it has purposes beyond being observed, is not art — it’s a craft. like engineering. although graphic design/engineering can become art when it has no purpose except being observed. edit — enjoyment is immaterial and the bits about graphic design can be art etc.

bezkom 2y ago

Most of the masterpieces you see in museums were used as decoration at some point.

fc417fc802 2y ago
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wbl 2y ago
The Pope needed something for his ceiling.

troupo 2y ago

Most masterpieces where literally hanging in the background of some rich person's summer houses, and hunting lodges, and other properties. Thrown out and replaced on a whim.

mr_toad 2y ago
Or melted down to make spears and helmets.
Neonlicht 2y ago
Art was used by the rich and famous to show off their wealth. In the 19th century countries got into the game (the idea that Dutch masters were ending up in American collections was a national embarrassment).