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Yeah, this rules, why are we supposed to be angry? It is like WFH for music makers. Although, I’m pretty sure there’s a ton of really complex and difficult jaz

Yeah, this rules, why are we supposed to be angry? It is like WFH for music makers. Although, I’m pretty sure there’s a ton of really complex and difficult jazz out there (IIRC it is one of the most advanced genres, whatever they means; I don’t do music). But that isn’t what we’re looking for on the chill whatever ambient music channels.

oreilles 2y ago
Did you guys not read the article ? The problem arises because of the way the music is distributed on Spotify and the way it is licensed. Spotify make deals with the companies producing this stock music so that it can fill its popular playlists with while paying close to zero royalties. The consequence is a decline both in music quality on the platform and in artists rights, revenue, and ability to be listened to overall.
- afro88 2y ago
  Spotify isn't a monopoly, and if they want to fill their platform with stock music and presumably AI slop in the future, good luck to them. They're hollowing themselves out and making way for a new better service. And in the end, the real money for musicians is syncs, shows and merch anyway. Spotify streaming revenue is tiny in comparison.
  - oreilles 2y ago
    The discussion is not wether Spotify will benefit from this situation in the long run or not, it's wether the users of the platform (both the listeners and the artists) should be happy with it and the answer to that is, thanks this lengthy article, demonstrably no.
    - gizmondo 2y ago
      I don't think the article showed that listeners are unhappy.
    - Wolfenstein98k 2y ago
      Whether* A wether is a castrated ram.
  - edu 2y ago
    Yes, that’s’ why a switched to Apple Music
    - georgebcrawford 2y ago
      You don't think every platform will be doing the same within a year or two?
    - afro88 2y ago
      Same
  - wbl 2y ago
    Glenn Gould didn't tour past 31 and made money from recordings.
- danudey 2y ago
  100% guarantee that, once the technology is solid enough and the library is big enough, Spotify is going to train an AI off the tracks they own the rights to so they can mass-produce this music without paying anyone (except nvidia) a dime.
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    Hopefully someone will release a music ML model to just generate it locally.
- RandallBrown 2y ago
  Those playlists become popular because of the music on them. If they decline in quality won't people will just listen to better playlists? My Discover Weekly from Spotify used to be awesome. I found a bunch of new artists that I really liked and tons of great new songs. Recently it's been a bunch of old stuff that I've definitely heard of before. So I've mostly stopped listening to it.
  - Wolfenstein98k 2y ago
    Big agree. Discover Weekly went from something I was excited about every Monday morning on the train, to something I forget to check most weeks. There's a handful of songs it puts on every few weeks, for literally years now, despite me skipping them every time and never once listening to the band or song by choice.
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
I mean yeah, the music isn't the problem; a lot of music especially "back when" (in my idealised head, this may not be true) was just some guy or a small band noodling in the corner, instead of a well known artist giving a performance of their greatest hits. "jazz improv" is probably just that, start with a generic beat / atmosphere and improvise and noodle on top of that. Sounds great to me, I wish there was more low barrier to entry live music like that. But I suppose there's no market for e.g. an in-house band working shifts for background entertainment, and they can't compete with jukebox software.
ksymph 2y ago
The issue is that the artists who make it are getting paid very little, with no attribution, on songs that get massive amounts of plays and exposure. The entire purpose of the program is for Spotify to pay artists less and cut out real independent musicians. The decline in quality is an (arguably) unfortunate side effect, but not really the main reason for people to be angry.
- lmz 2y ago
  It's not like they put in a lot of work into it either (as per the article).
bezkom 2y ago
Miles Davis famously recorded 4 legendary albums in just 2 sessions, jazz you know...
insane_dreamer 2y ago
You don't understand how Spotify distributes revenue to artists.

oreilles 2y ago

Did you guys not read the article ? The problem arises because of the way the music is distributed on Spotify and the way it is licensed. Spotify make deals with the companies producing this stock music so that it can fill its popular playlists with while paying close to zero royalties. The consequence is a decline both in music quality on the platform and in artists rights, revenue, and ability to be listened to overall.

afro88 2y ago
Spotify isn't a monopoly, and if they want to fill their platform with stock music and presumably AI slop in the future, good luck to them. They're hollowing themselves out and making way for a new better service. And in the end, the real money for musicians is syncs, shows and merch anyway. Spotify streaming revenue is tiny in comparison.
- oreilles 2y ago
  The discussion is not wether Spotify will benefit from this situation in the long run or not, it's wether the users of the platform (both the listeners and the artists) should be happy with it and the answer to that is, thanks this lengthy article, demonstrably no.
  - gizmondo 2y ago
    I don't think the article showed that listeners are unhappy.
  - Wolfenstein98k 2y ago
    Whether* A wether is a castrated ram.
- edu 2y ago
  Yes, that’s’ why a switched to Apple Music
  - georgebcrawford 2y ago
    You don't think every platform will be doing the same within a year or two?
  - afro88 2y ago
    Same
- wbl 2y ago
  Glenn Gould didn't tour past 31 and made money from recordings.
danudey 2y ago
100% guarantee that, once the technology is solid enough and the library is big enough, Spotify is going to train an AI off the tracks they own the rights to so they can mass-produce this music without paying anyone (except nvidia) a dime.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Hopefully someone will release a music ML model to just generate it locally.
RandallBrown 2y ago
Those playlists become popular because of the music on them. If they decline in quality won't people will just listen to better playlists? My Discover Weekly from Spotify used to be awesome. I found a bunch of new artists that I really liked and tons of great new songs. Recently it's been a bunch of old stuff that I've definitely heard of before. So I've mostly stopped listening to it.
- Wolfenstein98k 2y ago
  Big agree. Discover Weekly went from something I was excited about every Monday morning on the train, to something I forget to check most weeks. There's a handful of songs it puts on every few weeks, for literally years now, despite me skipping them every time and never once listening to the band or song by choice.

Cthulhu_ 2y ago

I mean yeah, the music isn't the problem; a lot of music especially "back when" (in my idealised head, this may not be true) was just some guy or a small band noodling in the corner, instead of a well known artist giving a performance of their greatest hits. "jazz improv" is probably just that, start with a generic beat / atmosphere and improvise and noodle on top of that. Sounds great to me, I wish there was more low barrier to entry live music like that. But I suppose there's no market for e.g. an in-house band working shifts for background entertainment, and they can't compete with jukebox software.

ksymph 2y ago

The issue is that the artists who make it are getting paid very little, with no attribution, on songs that get massive amounts of plays and exposure. The entire purpose of the program is for Spotify to pay artists less and cut out real independent musicians. The decline in quality is an (arguably) unfortunate side effect, but not really the main reason for people to be angry.

lmz 2y ago
It's not like they put in a lot of work into it either (as per the article).

bezkom 2y ago

Miles Davis famously recorded 4 legendary albums in just 2 sessions, jazz you know...

insane_dreamer 2y ago

You don't understand how Spotify distributes revenue to artists.