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You do know Israel offered Palestinians a state and unilaterally left Gaza giving them an option to build a state... We tried that and it didn't work.

486sx33 2y ago
Not only that, Hamas stole the world’s money meant to feed and help and instead oppressed and killed. Palestine people would do well to join Egypt
FireBeyond 2y ago
IDF tanks were still making incursions. Offered them a state. Let's see... one airport... runways bombed and Palestine told in no uncertain terms that any attempt to repair, rebuild, or build an airport would be met with military response. The Israeli Navy's blockade of Gaza's ports is in its seventeenth year. The generally closed land borders? Hmmm. "Here's an option to build a state, a very generous offer, we must say." It's the state equivalent of "Yes, you can live in the basement. We're going to lock it when you're down there so you can't leave, and you can't have anybody to visit. But it's a home, so quit complaining."
- invalidname 2y ago
  Not now. In 2000 and in 2008. You clearly don't know the history. > The Israeli Navy's blockade of Gaza's ports is in its seventeenth year. If that blockade didn't exist Oct 7th would have been fought with tanks on both sides. Hamas were given plenty of chances to show they don't want war, they kept building rockets and digging tunnels while firing constantly for the past 17 years at civilian population. Let me ask you this, your neighbor keeps firing and throwing grenades at your home... Do you tare down the wall to his property? That's an insane argument. > The generally closed land borders? Hmmm. Again. Same thing. They smuggled literal slaves through the tunnels they built into Egypt. On the eve of Oct 7th there were over 10k Palestinians from Gaza working in Israel. There was an active border pass which is how countries are separated. With borders. Especially if the neighboring country doesn't believe you have the right to exist and keeps firing at you. > "Here's an option to build a state, a very generous offer, we must say." Yes. It was a very generous offer. They were offered part of Jerusalem and 94% of the territories. It was spectacularly generous and probably won't come back. > It's the state equivalent of "Yes, you can live in the basement. We're going to lock it when you're down there so you can't leave, and you can't have anybody to visit. But it's a home, so quit complaining." Well... To carry that stupid analogy... It's the equivalent of parents whose son is a mass murderer offering him a way to prove that he's changed his ways. I think this post is a bit extreme in its takes, but it isn't fundamentally wrong: https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-why-muslim-world-should-stop-holding-a-grudge-against-israel-and-move-on-9085179.html https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-why-muslim-world-shou... The problem is that you're ignoring the agency Palestinians had in the matter. Hamas made conscious choices every step of the way, but so did the more moderate Palestinian authority and unfortunately a lot of the populace. Right now the current terrible state of affairs is a result of two sides being terrible. The difference is that the Israeli side is far more powerful and has nothing to lose other than its soul. The Palestinian side has everything to lose and yet their leaders and populace made the wrong choices along the way.

486sx33 2y ago

Not only that, Hamas stole the world’s money meant to feed and help and instead oppressed and killed. Palestine people would do well to join Egypt

FireBeyond 2y ago

IDF tanks were still making incursions. Offered them a state. Let's see... one airport... runways bombed and Palestine told in no uncertain terms that any attempt to repair, rebuild, or build an airport would be met with military response. The Israeli Navy's blockade of Gaza's ports is in its seventeenth year. The generally closed land borders? Hmmm. "Here's an option to build a state, a very generous offer, we must say." It's the state equivalent of "Yes, you can live in the basement. We're going to lock it when you're down there so you can't leave, and you can't have anybody to visit. But it's a home, so quit complaining."

invalidname 2y ago
Not now. In 2000 and in 2008. You clearly don't know the history. > The Israeli Navy's blockade of Gaza's ports is in its seventeenth year. If that blockade didn't exist Oct 7th would have been fought with tanks on both sides. Hamas were given plenty of chances to show they don't want war, they kept building rockets and digging tunnels while firing constantly for the past 17 years at civilian population. Let me ask you this, your neighbor keeps firing and throwing grenades at your home... Do you tare down the wall to his property? That's an insane argument. > The generally closed land borders? Hmmm. Again. Same thing. They smuggled literal slaves through the tunnels they built into Egypt. On the eve of Oct 7th there were over 10k Palestinians from Gaza working in Israel. There was an active border pass which is how countries are separated. With borders. Especially if the neighboring country doesn't believe you have the right to exist and keeps firing at you. > "Here's an option to build a state, a very generous offer, we must say." Yes. It was a very generous offer. They were offered part of Jerusalem and 94% of the territories. It was spectacularly generous and probably won't come back. > It's the state equivalent of "Yes, you can live in the basement. We're going to lock it when you're down there so you can't leave, and you can't have anybody to visit. But it's a home, so quit complaining." Well... To carry that stupid analogy... It's the equivalent of parents whose son is a mass murderer offering him a way to prove that he's changed his ways. I think this post is a bit extreme in its takes, but it isn't fundamentally wrong: https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-why-muslim-world-should-stop-holding-a-grudge-against-israel-and-move-on-9085179.html https://www.news18.com/opinion/opinion-why-muslim-world-shou... The problem is that you're ignoring the agency Palestinians had in the matter. Hamas made conscious choices every step of the way, but so did the more moderate Palestinian authority and unfortunately a lot of the populace. Right now the current terrible state of affairs is a result of two sides being terrible. The difference is that the Israeli side is far more powerful and has nothing to lose other than its soul. The Palestinian side has everything to lose and yet their leaders and populace made the wrong choices along the way.