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I think it might also be because "Swinging" is a word from a previous era and some/many of the young LGBTQ+ people are against learning from their elders. Swin

I think it might also be because "Swinging" is a word from a previous era and some/many of the young LGBTQ+ people are against learning from their elders. Swinging is a very clear example of ENM.

nkingsy 2y ago
Google seems to think monogamish is the new word for it, but that is a really confusing word (I thought it meant you can cuddle puddle with your friends).
e40 2y ago
ENM?
- trogdor 2y ago
  Ethical non-monogamy
giraffe_lady 2y ago
> some/many of the young LGBTQ+ people are against learning from their elders. Well almost a complete generational cohort of their elders is simply missing. They died of aids in the 80s and 90s.
- moralestapia 2y ago
  No, they didn't. At least look at the data before making such a bigoted statement.
  - indrora 2y ago
    Yes, we did lose a generational cohort. There is a reason that the quilt is so large[1]. [1] https://www.npr.org/2012/06/27/155868611/pieces-of-aids-quilt-blanket-nations-capital https://www.npr.org/2012/06/27/155868611/pieces-of-aids-quil...
    - aipatselarom 2y ago
      100k out of 200 million (US)? Out of 5 billion (worldwide)? The flu makes us lose five "generational cohorts" every year, then.
      - t-writescode 2y ago
        Intersectionality. 100k out of *how many out homosexual individuals during that era in the area being studied*? And it's not just raw numbers, either. It's how many lives / families were impacted in this unique way. To add, it's also 100k that were almost entirely in a single demographic that was explicitly and implicitly being harmed by those in power during that era.
        t-writescode 2y ago
        I want to add more. The whole “30 is gay death” expression, I bet, especially since it’s not really a thing anymore, was greatly influenced by there being very few gay people over 30. Because the rest were dead.
        moralestapia 2y ago
        >Intersectionality. Nah, just elementary school Math. It was around 1%, a considerable morbidity but still very far from losing "a complete generational cohort".
        giraffe_lady 2y ago
        Hey btw I absolutely did mean "a generational cohort of lgbtq people" not the broader total population. Which would make no sense, so I assumed no one would interpret my meaning that way. Thanks for calling me a bigot and then starting a fight with these other people about it though.
        moralestapia 2y ago
        A multiplication and a division is starting a fight nowadays? >a generational cohort of lgbtq people That's where the 1% figure comes from. If you look at the whole population it is more like 0.0001%. Sorry if Math hurt your feelings. Btw, bigot means a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief or an opinion, which seems relevant.
indrora 2y ago
> young LGBTQ+ people are against learning from their elders No, there's a missing generation. As (previously) one of those, my generation is now the "elders", and we had to learn in a strange, weirdly sheltered way. Our elders were dead or hiding. The topics were taboo, the representation garbage, and the content online? Often blocked in the place we had internet access. I do a lot of teaching to my younger queer friends. Sometimes I have to do a lot of research on a topic before I can give an answer. In addition, Swingers weren't talked about in any part of my growing up. It wasn't until as an adult I looked at my partner and said "Oh, they're having a key party" at an exhibit of a model 50s-era home in the midwest.
- t-writescode 2y ago
  Sorry, yes, I wasn't intending to give the impression that I was ignoring the many, many that died in the 80s during the AIDS epidemic. I was intending to refer to Millenials as the elders and Gen Alpha as the "young LGBTQ+". At least what I see on TikTok has reflected a lot of the elder (Millenial) LGBTQ+ people becoming periodically frustrated with the younglings for not listening to them as they talk about exactly the frustrations / issues the new ones are going through or aren't having to go through. Weirdly, swingers *were* talked about in my family when I was young.

I think it might also be because "Swinging" is a word from a previous era and some/many of the young LGBTQ+ people are against learning from their elders. Swinging is a very clear example of ENM.

nkingsy 2y ago

Google seems to think monogamish is the new word for it, but that is a really confusing word (I thought it meant you can cuddle puddle with your friends).

e40 2y ago

ENM?

trogdor 2y ago
Ethical non-monogamy

giraffe_lady 2y ago

> some/many of the young LGBTQ+ people are against learning from their elders. Well almost a complete generational cohort of their elders is simply missing. They died of aids in the 80s and 90s.

moralestapia 2y ago
No, they didn't. At least look at the data before making such a bigoted statement.
- indrora 2y ago
  Yes, we did lose a generational cohort. There is a reason that the quilt is so large[1]. [1] https://www.npr.org/2012/06/27/155868611/pieces-of-aids-quilt-blanket-nations-capital https://www.npr.org/2012/06/27/155868611/pieces-of-aids-quil...
  - aipatselarom 2y ago
    100k out of 200 million (US)? Out of 5 billion (worldwide)? The flu makes us lose five "generational cohorts" every year, then.
    - t-writescode 2y ago
      Intersectionality. 100k out of *how many out homosexual individuals during that era in the area being studied*? And it's not just raw numbers, either. It's how many lives / families were impacted in this unique way. To add, it's also 100k that were almost entirely in a single demographic that was explicitly and implicitly being harmed by those in power during that era.
      - t-writescode 2y ago
        I want to add more. The whole “30 is gay death” expression, I bet, especially since it’s not really a thing anymore, was greatly influenced by there being very few gay people over 30. Because the rest were dead.
      - moralestapia 2y ago
        >Intersectionality. Nah, just elementary school Math. It was around 1%, a considerable morbidity but still very far from losing "a complete generational cohort".
        giraffe_lady 2y ago
        Hey btw I absolutely did mean "a generational cohort of lgbtq people" not the broader total population. Which would make no sense, so I assumed no one would interpret my meaning that way. Thanks for calling me a bigot and then starting a fight with these other people about it though.
        moralestapia 2y ago
        A multiplication and a division is starting a fight nowadays? >a generational cohort of lgbtq people That's where the 1% figure comes from. If you look at the whole population it is more like 0.0001%. Sorry if Math hurt your feelings. Btw, bigot means a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief or an opinion, which seems relevant.

indrora 2y ago

> young LGBTQ+ people are against learning from their elders No, there's a missing generation. As (previously) one of those, my generation is now the "elders", and we had to learn in a strange, weirdly sheltered way. Our elders were dead or hiding. The topics were taboo, the representation garbage, and the content online? Often blocked in the place we had internet access. I do a lot of teaching to my younger queer friends. Sometimes I have to do a lot of research on a topic before I can give an answer. In addition, Swingers weren't talked about in any part of my growing up. It wasn't until as an adult I looked at my partner and said "Oh, they're having a key party" at an exhibit of a model 50s-era home in the midwest.

t-writescode 2y ago
Sorry, yes, I wasn't intending to give the impression that I was ignoring the many, many that died in the 80s during the AIDS epidemic. I was intending to refer to Millenials as the elders and Gen Alpha as the "young LGBTQ+". At least what I see on TikTok has reflected a lot of the elder (Millenial) LGBTQ+ people becoming periodically frustrated with the younglings for not listening to them as they talk about exactly the frustrations / issues the new ones are going through or aren't having to go through. Weirdly, swingers *were* talked about in my family when I was young.