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I don't know what you're talking about in your first sentence. What side is Harris on? I don't know, the side that hates this country and its government less? I

I don't know what you're talking about in your first sentence. What side is Harris on? I don't know, the side that hates this country and its government less? I'm sorry you're celebrating someone hacking democratic processes with lies and hatred, just because he won. (Shocking how quickly the GOP base decided elections are valid when their side has a win). I support making America more affordable for the working classes. Besides the fact that Donald's policies may raise taxes for the lower class while cutting it for businesses and the rich (Hello, 2017!), his plans would raise prices on all people. Great job. >But yes, wishing ill on your political enemies is exactly what I pegged as your main motivation That's not what I meant. I did not confirm your hypothesis. You misread. What I meant is that the winning candidate will fuck everyone over, including his voters. I don't want a 2028 Democrat to be elected then take out retribution on Republicans. That is terrible and un-American. That's what Donald is doing. I'm saying that Donald voters want to touch the hot stove, and it's time to let them feel the burn. If we're going to cut social services, raise prices further on goods through 6th grade economics, let the billionaire sycophants of Donald destroy the laws that hold their businesses accountable, and institute a pogrom on brown-looking people, then I hope the supporters of the regime are the ones most hurt by their own policies. The fact that RFK Jr. wants to regulate additives in food alongside taking away vaccines is the high point of what a reasonable person can look forward to for the next four years, is sad.

PKop 2y ago
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unethical_ban 2y ago
I can't reply to PKop's reply, so I'll say a few things here. Immigration in the US and Europe are different issues. Immigration in the US is not why things are expensive in the US, not why crime is any level of issue in the US. Immigrants are not causing the problems this country faces. To the extent that unchecked immigration/migration is an issue, the solution would be a point-forward policy of harsher denials, shorter stints in judicial review, and enforcement of legal residence on employers like agriculture, hospitality, food service, construction, and other undocumented-worker-prevalent industries. We had a border bill that was agreed to, then GOP backed out because Donald didn't want something to be achieved during the Biden term. Kind of like how the GOP and Dems hammered out a CR to fund the government, then Musk and his assistant Donald told the GOP to back out of it and shut the government down. *The GOP doesn't want to fix immigration, they just want people to be mad about it*. Fucking over undocumented immigrants isn't the way to "make their country stronger and better for their own citizens". We could be talking about better visa programs, legal residence programs, employment verification, stronger stances with other nations on how to deport people back to certain countries in certain circumstances... Mass deportation in the US is lazy at best and hateful at worst. ---- Biden and Donald, GOP and Democrats, played a part in the money printing that caused inflation in the past four years. Golly gee whiz, I wonder what happened in 2020 to make that happen across the entire planet? Governments are lurching rightward for a number of reasons, and trying to play like the GOP is innocent in the reasons people are angry is foolish. Donald won't fix affordability. He won't fix housing. He won't fix access to healthcare. Whatever "fix" occurs with immigration is at the cost of uprooting millions of peaceful members of our society so that some citizens can take joy in others' pain (because it isn't about border security, stop repeating that). It's fair to be mad at the cost of living right now, but that doesn't make it reasonable to give people a pass for voting for a criminal piece of trash who has no decent "concept of a plan" for anything, and only wants to burn the government to the ground because it's the only thing that's tried to hold him accountable to his actions in his life.
- PKop 2y ago
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  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    Nah, the 2024 border bill wasn't nonsense. Yes, a path to legal status is the only moral, viable option to solving the issue of the people here today. Yes, we need to tighten up enforcement going forward. Yes, more action should have been pushed by democrats on border issues between 2020 and 2024. No, these economic issues are not as zero sum as you make it sound. Being decent to non-citizens isn't the reason citizens are having problems. Trying to pin it on them entirely, when you have devoted zero words to health insurance reform, zoning/housing innovationa or social safety net improvements, is telling. These filthy Mexicans aren't the reason Arby's costs $17 or the reason Kroger is having a record year or the reason eggs went up in price. They aren't the reason people are scared to go to the doctor because they don't want to know if they have cancer, because they couldn't afford the treatment if they knew. They're part of communities, they pay taxes, many of them have been here decades. I'll look up the claim that the fed "blames immigration" for housing. But like I said, Donald doesn't have a plan for Americans on anything, except "kick out a bunch of people". The GOP doesn't have a better alternative, either. You're acting like Dems are the ones who have waffled on solutions, the when asked what ideas the GOP has (besides mass deportation) they have nothing. Just like healthcare. I hope you care about your fellow citizens and want them to have better health insurance and more affordable, safer food and a warm place to sleep. Don't call someone childish in a debate.
    - PKop 2y ago
      We are going to get a better deal here in a few months after winning the Senate, House, and Presidency. It's dumb to think otherwise. We don't care about your definition of moral, we care about our own.

PKop 2y ago

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unethical_ban 2y ago

I can't reply to PKop's reply, so I'll say a few things here. Immigration in the US and Europe are different issues. Immigration in the US is not why things are expensive in the US, not why crime is any level of issue in the US. Immigrants are not causing the problems this country faces. To the extent that unchecked immigration/migration is an issue, the solution would be a point-forward policy of harsher denials, shorter stints in judicial review, and enforcement of legal residence on employers like agriculture, hospitality, food service, construction, and other undocumented-worker-prevalent industries. We had a border bill that was agreed to, then GOP backed out because Donald didn't want something to be achieved during the Biden term. Kind of like how the GOP and Dems hammered out a CR to fund the government, then Musk and his assistant Donald told the GOP to back out of it and shut the government down. *The GOP doesn't want to fix immigration, they just want people to be mad about it*. Fucking over undocumented immigrants isn't the way to "make their country stronger and better for their own citizens". We could be talking about better visa programs, legal residence programs, employment verification, stronger stances with other nations on how to deport people back to certain countries in certain circumstances... Mass deportation in the US is lazy at best and hateful at worst. ---- Biden and Donald, GOP and Democrats, played a part in the money printing that caused inflation in the past four years. Golly gee whiz, I wonder what happened in 2020 to make that happen across the entire planet? Governments are lurching rightward for a number of reasons, and trying to play like the GOP is innocent in the reasons people are angry is foolish. Donald won't fix affordability. He won't fix housing. He won't fix access to healthcare. Whatever "fix" occurs with immigration is at the cost of uprooting millions of peaceful members of our society so that some citizens can take joy in others' pain (because it isn't about border security, stop repeating that). It's fair to be mad at the cost of living right now, but that doesn't make it reasonable to give people a pass for voting for a criminal piece of trash who has no decent "concept of a plan" for anything, and only wants to burn the government to the ground because it's the only thing that's tried to hold him accountable to his actions in his life.

PKop 2y ago
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- unethical_ban 2y ago
  Nah, the 2024 border bill wasn't nonsense. Yes, a path to legal status is the only moral, viable option to solving the issue of the people here today. Yes, we need to tighten up enforcement going forward. Yes, more action should have been pushed by democrats on border issues between 2020 and 2024. No, these economic issues are not as zero sum as you make it sound. Being decent to non-citizens isn't the reason citizens are having problems. Trying to pin it on them entirely, when you have devoted zero words to health insurance reform, zoning/housing innovationa or social safety net improvements, is telling. These filthy Mexicans aren't the reason Arby's costs $17 or the reason Kroger is having a record year or the reason eggs went up in price. They aren't the reason people are scared to go to the doctor because they don't want to know if they have cancer, because they couldn't afford the treatment if they knew. They're part of communities, they pay taxes, many of them have been here decades. I'll look up the claim that the fed "blames immigration" for housing. But like I said, Donald doesn't have a plan for Americans on anything, except "kick out a bunch of people". The GOP doesn't have a better alternative, either. You're acting like Dems are the ones who have waffled on solutions, the when asked what ideas the GOP has (besides mass deportation) they have nothing. Just like healthcare. I hope you care about your fellow citizens and want them to have better health insurance and more affordable, safer food and a warm place to sleep. Don't call someone childish in a debate.
  - PKop 2y ago
    We are going to get a better deal here in a few months after winning the Senate, House, and Presidency. It's dumb to think otherwise. We don't care about your definition of moral, we care about our own.