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I have a hard time believing the ‘since’ part of that description. Intuition suggests the latest iPhone would take that crown each year.

spencerflem 2y ago
Misremembered, it was saying it was the most secure code Microsoft has written, not anyone From the excellent: https://icode4.coffee/?p=954 https://icode4.coffee/?p=954
walterbell 2y ago
> the latest iPhone would take that crown each year Apple continuously patches zero-day kernel exploits against the latest iOS and hardware, https://support.apple.com/en-us/100100 https://support.apple.com/en-us/100100
- anyfoo 2y ago
  That is far from the only thing that would be relevant for such a metric. (For one thing, you also have to ask which kernel.)
  - walterbell 2y ago
    iPhone and iPad devices have been breached by zero-days for years, unlike Xbox One.
    - anyfoo 2y ago
      Still simplistic. "Breached" can mean a number of things, and the incentives here are very different.
      - walterbell 2y ago
        Breached = remote control of device, bypass all vendor and owner security policy, and exfiltration of non-public data.
        anyfoo 2y ago
        And that was achieved?
        walterbell 2y ago
        Multiple times via iOS zero days. One example, https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/20/whatsapp-pegasus-spyware-nso-group-hacking https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/20/whatsapp-... > NSO Group Technologies, was accused in a lawsuit by Meta’s messaging app of infecting and surveilling the phones of 1,400 people over a two-week period in May 2019 via its notorious Pegasus software. The judge.. found the company had violated state and federal US hacking laws.. was used to infiltrate not only WhatsApp but also iPhones to extract pictures, emails and texts.. victims of the hack identified by Meta were senior government officials, journalists, human rights activists, political dissidents and diplomats.
        anyfoo 2y ago
        5 years ago, by state level actors. How many state level actors are trying to breach the Xbox? Your original statement was “there are kernel vulnerabilities being fixed, therefore iPhones are less secure than the Xbox one”. It’s just not that simple. I can’t make any assessment about which of those are more secure without a serious look, but this isn’t it.
        ser234 2y ago
        “How many state level actors are trying to breach the Xbox?” The U.S. Guvmint for one: https://filesharingtalk.com/content/1654-US-government-hires-company-to-hack-into-video-game-consoles https://filesharingtalk.com/content/1654-US-government-hires...
- StrauXX 2y ago
  Sure, but there are many more people looking at iPhone security than at Xboxes. The incentives, both monetary and otherwise, are much greater with iPhones than they ever were with consoles.

spencerflem 2y ago

Misremembered, it was saying it was the most secure code Microsoft has written, not anyone From the excellent: https://icode4.coffee/?p=954 https://icode4.coffee/?p=954

walterbell 2y ago

> the latest iPhone would take that crown each year Apple continuously patches zero-day kernel exploits against the latest iOS and hardware, https://support.apple.com/en-us/100100 https://support.apple.com/en-us/100100

anyfoo 2y ago
That is far from the only thing that would be relevant for such a metric. (For one thing, you also have to ask which kernel.)
- walterbell 2y ago
  iPhone and iPad devices have been breached by zero-days for years, unlike Xbox One.
  - anyfoo 2y ago
    Still simplistic. "Breached" can mean a number of things, and the incentives here are very different.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      Breached = remote control of device, bypass all vendor and owner security policy, and exfiltration of non-public data.
      - anyfoo 2y ago
        And that was achieved?
        walterbell 2y ago
        Multiple times via iOS zero days. One example, https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/20/whatsapp-pegasus-spyware-nso-group-hacking https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/dec/20/whatsapp-... > NSO Group Technologies, was accused in a lawsuit by Meta’s messaging app of infecting and surveilling the phones of 1,400 people over a two-week period in May 2019 via its notorious Pegasus software. The judge.. found the company had violated state and federal US hacking laws.. was used to infiltrate not only WhatsApp but also iPhones to extract pictures, emails and texts.. victims of the hack identified by Meta were senior government officials, journalists, human rights activists, political dissidents and diplomats.
        anyfoo 2y ago
        5 years ago, by state level actors. How many state level actors are trying to breach the Xbox? Your original statement was “there are kernel vulnerabilities being fixed, therefore iPhones are less secure than the Xbox one”. It’s just not that simple. I can’t make any assessment about which of those are more secure without a serious look, but this isn’t it.
        ser234 2y ago
        “How many state level actors are trying to breach the Xbox?” The U.S. Guvmint for one: https://filesharingtalk.com/content/1654-US-government-hires-company-to-hack-into-video-game-consoles https://filesharingtalk.com/content/1654-US-government-hires...
StrauXX 2y ago
Sure, but there are many more people looking at iPhone security than at Xboxes. The incentives, both monetary and otherwise, are much greater with iPhones than they ever were with consoles.