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"Nothing on this" is an interesting way to put it. Two 8,160 x 7,200 large sensors has various pros and cons compared to eight APS-C 24 MP sensors. If you want

"Nothing on this" is an interesting way to put it. Two 8,160 x 7,200 large sensors has various pros and cons compared to eight APS-C 24 MP sensors. If you want panoramic field of view, the latter is awesome. If you want high resolution for stereo in a particular direction, you'd want the former.

PaulHoule 2y ago
The market has shown over and over again that viewers are indifferent to stereo movies. Sure I will watch an awful Star Wars movie on my Quest just because it is in 3d but I am just about the only one. Pano content in VR really is something new. Apple's lack of vision with the Vision Pro is shocking as is the arrogance that somehow a $3k headset will revive interest in something people wouldn`t pay an extra $5 for at the movies. With twice the memory and a desktop grade processor the AVP could trash the Quest 3 at immersive application but Apple is stuck on a backwards and conservative vision of mobile apps floating in the air - totally mundane sci-fi (Washuu had this in Tenchi Muyo) but a $3k headset has to do all, not just what one rich dude thinks is stylish. If you are doing any VR or AR work you realize memory for textures is terribly short and 'more pixels' is the road to nowhere.
- wahnfrieden 2y ago
  this camera is also used to create immersive environments, not only for watching "movies"
- Terretta 2y ago
  The Alicia Keys demo in AVP is not a "stereo movie" and people didn't have the opportunity to hang with their favorite celebs in what feels like reality. Lots of as-well-made-as-able 3D "stereo" movies in Disney etc that work on AVP beautifully. None of those are the same "you are here now" sense as the Alicia Keys demo. Agree with you on Apple's seeming reluctance to empower a new UX/UI for the AVP affordances. Having a multi-window iPad strapped to your face is less compelling. Over the past 15 years one notices how much of iOS UI was invented by the market (pull down to refresh, for instance). Perhaps they want to see what people come up with for this.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    > Perhaps they want to see what people come up with for this. Not going to happen without jailbreaking the locked-down VisionOS. Apple could choose to enable for 18 months, then integrate the best use cases into the platform.
    - Terretta 2y ago
      What would jailbreaking allow that couldn't be mocked up in AR mode instead of iPads-strapped-to-face mode? Yes, you'd have to have your various "apps" in your same "suite" app (like Microsoft ships Word, Excel, Powerpoint, inside Office for iPadOS), but third party apps wouldn't know your new UX/UI paradigm anyway.
      - walterbell 2y ago
        Integration with 3rd party devices, which Apple is refusing to do in the EU?
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- DidYaWipe 2y ago
  The market hasn't really shown that. It has shown that viewers are indifferent to FAKE 3-D movies, which is what studios troweled out as fast as they could... ruining a major opportunity. Most people have seen maybe three real 3-D movies from among: the Avatars, a Pixar movie, Hugo, The Hobbit, the Transformers one where they tore up Chicago, and... yeah, I'm hard-pressed to name another movie right now that was shot in 3-D... oh, and Drive Angry. Which no one saw. The vast majority of movies offered in "3-D" were post-processed junk.
  - Nevermark 2y ago
    Dune 1 3D is fantastic. If you customize the Vision Pro’s light shield to put the screens closer & expand field of view, even better: you are essentially in the movie.
- bag_boy 2y ago
  Can you tell me more about pano content? What does that mean?

PaulHoule 2y ago

The market has shown over and over again that viewers are indifferent to stereo movies. Sure I will watch an awful Star Wars movie on my Quest just because it is in 3d but I am just about the only one. Pano content in VR really is something new. Apple's lack of vision with the Vision Pro is shocking as is the arrogance that somehow a $3k headset will revive interest in something people wouldn`t pay an extra $5 for at the movies. With twice the memory and a desktop grade processor the AVP could trash the Quest 3 at immersive application but Apple is stuck on a backwards and conservative vision of mobile apps floating in the air - totally mundane sci-fi (Washuu had this in Tenchi Muyo) but a $3k headset has to do all, not just what one rich dude thinks is stylish. If you are doing any VR or AR work you realize memory for textures is terribly short and 'more pixels' is the road to nowhere.

wahnfrieden 2y ago
this camera is also used to create immersive environments, not only for watching "movies"
Terretta 2y ago
The Alicia Keys demo in AVP is not a "stereo movie" and people didn't have the opportunity to hang with their favorite celebs in what feels like reality. Lots of as-well-made-as-able 3D "stereo" movies in Disney etc that work on AVP beautifully. None of those are the same "you are here now" sense as the Alicia Keys demo. Agree with you on Apple's seeming reluctance to empower a new UX/UI for the AVP affordances. Having a multi-window iPad strapped to your face is less compelling. Over the past 15 years one notices how much of iOS UI was invented by the market (pull down to refresh, for instance). Perhaps they want to see what people come up with for this.
- walterbell 2y ago
  > Perhaps they want to see what people come up with for this. Not going to happen without jailbreaking the locked-down VisionOS. Apple could choose to enable for 18 months, then integrate the best use cases into the platform.
  - Terretta 2y ago
    What would jailbreaking allow that couldn't be mocked up in AR mode instead of iPads-strapped-to-face mode? Yes, you'd have to have your various "apps" in your same "suite" app (like Microsoft ships Word, Excel, Powerpoint, inside Office for iPadOS), but third party apps wouldn't know your new UX/UI paradigm anyway.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      Integration with 3rd party devices, which Apple is refusing to do in the EU?
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DidYaWipe 2y ago
The market hasn't really shown that. It has shown that viewers are indifferent to FAKE 3-D movies, which is what studios troweled out as fast as they could... ruining a major opportunity. Most people have seen maybe three real 3-D movies from among: the Avatars, a Pixar movie, Hugo, The Hobbit, the Transformers one where they tore up Chicago, and... yeah, I'm hard-pressed to name another movie right now that was shot in 3-D... oh, and Drive Angry. Which no one saw. The vast majority of movies offered in "3-D" were post-processed junk.
- Nevermark 2y ago
  Dune 1 3D is fantastic. If you customize the Vision Pro’s light shield to put the screens closer & expand field of view, even better: you are essentially in the movie.
bag_boy 2y ago
Can you tell me more about pano content? What does that mean?