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Vegetarian. I consume eggs however I ensure they are ethnically sourced from organic, free range and roam freely farms; like my local. As soon as it has a form

Vegetarian. I consume eggs however I ensure they are ethnically sourced from organic, free range and roam freely farms; like my local. As soon as it has a formed element of biological life to it, then no. I don't eat fish neither as it was alive. Honey, milk I'm fine with it's a byproduct if sourced ethically. Unless I know the source, I won't eat it. The problem isn't eating meat, the problem is the inhumanity caused by producing meat. We produce so much meat that we are slaughtering animals for the sake of rather than. Meat being of quality. Having 12 McD chicken nuggets on the drive home is whats wrong. Not cooking steak from a butcher to have with wine for dinner.

emptiestplace 2y ago
None of this matters because it is not even remotely feasible for 8 billion people to ethically source animal products.
- theoreticalmal 2y ago
  It matters to me and the ~2 other people I make food decisions for.
  - emptiestplace 2y ago
    I recognize that you may be stepping back from this discussion, but I think it's important to address these inconsistencies in your earlier reasoning: Your logic is inconsistent on multiple levels. You won't eat fish because "it was alive" but accept eggs from an industry that kills hundreds of millions of male chicks. You claim honey and milk are fine as "byproducts," but this ignores how dairy cows must be forcibly impregnated, separated from their calves, and killed when production drops, while honey is literally the bees' food that we take, often killing many in the process. These aren't benign side effects - they're fundamental to how these industries operate. You claim to only support "ethical" animal products while acknowledging industrial meat production is inhumane, yet fail to recognize that "ethical" animal agriculture is simply not scalable to feed the global population. These distinctions you're making (McD's vs butcher, etc.) are arbitrary moral lines that serve more to make you feel better about your choices than to address the fundamental ethical issues. After sharing your perspective on these broader ethical concerns, falling back to "it works for me and my family" isn't a meaningful response to systemic issues affecting billions of beings.
maxerickson 2y ago
I continue to be fascinated by the concept that milk and unfertilized eggs are vegetarian. Milk comes from cows that had their calves slaughtered (maybe a little bit of it comes from cows that already weaned their calves?). Unfertilized eggs come from chickens that were bred for the explicit purpose of popping them out one after the other.

emptiestplace 2y ago

None of this matters because it is not even remotely feasible for 8 billion people to ethically source animal products.

theoreticalmal 2y ago
It matters to me and the ~2 other people I make food decisions for.
- emptiestplace 2y ago
  I recognize that you may be stepping back from this discussion, but I think it's important to address these inconsistencies in your earlier reasoning: Your logic is inconsistent on multiple levels. You won't eat fish because "it was alive" but accept eggs from an industry that kills hundreds of millions of male chicks. You claim honey and milk are fine as "byproducts," but this ignores how dairy cows must be forcibly impregnated, separated from their calves, and killed when production drops, while honey is literally the bees' food that we take, often killing many in the process. These aren't benign side effects - they're fundamental to how these industries operate. You claim to only support "ethical" animal products while acknowledging industrial meat production is inhumane, yet fail to recognize that "ethical" animal agriculture is simply not scalable to feed the global population. These distinctions you're making (McD's vs butcher, etc.) are arbitrary moral lines that serve more to make you feel better about your choices than to address the fundamental ethical issues. After sharing your perspective on these broader ethical concerns, falling back to "it works for me and my family" isn't a meaningful response to systemic issues affecting billions of beings.

maxerickson 2y ago

I continue to be fascinated by the concept that milk and unfertilized eggs are vegetarian. Milk comes from cows that had their calves slaughtered (maybe a little bit of it comes from cows that already weaned their calves?). Unfertilized eggs come from chickens that were bred for the explicit purpose of popping them out one after the other.