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“VR will become something everyone wants before it becomes something everyone can afford” Palmer Luckey People that bought Vision Pro at $3,500 they are not us

“VR will become something everyone wants before it becomes something everyone can afford” Palmer Luckey People that bought Vision Pro at $3,500 they are not using it all that much. A lower price will just result in more headsets gathering dust. VR has no product-market fit except for a couple of game niches. Far from the “next computing platform” that justified investment of tens of billions of dollars a year. Headsets and platforms need fundamental rethinking before optimizing for price.

parasubvert 2y ago
This is false. People that bought Vision Pro are often using it for multiple hours a day. I am sure some collect dust, but many are heavily used. The Meta Quest is outselling the Xbox series. VR clearly has product market fit, but it doesn't yet have iPhone or iPad levels of market fit.
- kridsdale1 2y ago
  And maybe it just… won’t. We shouldn’t use that as the stick. Sometimes it’s ok to make Lamborghini and it’s not a failure to say it has less owners than the Corolla.
  - dmarcos 2y ago
    Making a niche product is fine but that’s not the “next computing platform” that justifies $16B/year investment by Meta alone.
- dmarcos 2y ago
  You have data to back up your claim that “Vision Pro owners are using it often multiple hours a day? That’s a shrinking tiny fraction of AVP buyers based on my experience. I’ve been in the industry for a decade. I have an AVP, know many other owners and devs with published apps. I’m myself the dev of moonrider: most popular WebXR application so see the industry numbers. Also sales /= usage and retention. Engagement is what you need to grow a platform. Your numbers about XBox sales might be true for a brief period of time between Quest2 and Quest3 releases. Still what matters is engagement and retention. As mentioned only product-market (albeit niche) fit for VR has been some games subgenres. Can you point to any other applications with significant numbers?
  - parasubvert 2y ago
    > You have data to back up your claim that “Vision Pro owners are using it often multiple hours a day? That’s a shrinking tiny fraction of AVP buyers based on my experience. I’ve been in the industry for a decade. I have an AVP, know many other owners and devs with published apps. I’m myself the dev of moonrider: most popular WebXR application so see the industry numbers. I have no more data than you do when you say a "shrinking tiny fraction" of AVP buyers. I've been in the industry for 30 years. We both have our anecdata.
    - dmarcos 2y ago
      Do you currently have any published content on any platform? Burden of proof is on the one making a claim. One of the signs of product-market fit is word of mouth organic growth. I’m a dev with published content and know a plethora of other devs. None seeing significant growth or improved retention. If you’re right the evidence is really hidden. Any forum or community where I can talk to the users that are using AVP a ton?

parasubvert 2y ago

This is false. People that bought Vision Pro are often using it for multiple hours a day. I am sure some collect dust, but many are heavily used. The Meta Quest is outselling the Xbox series. VR clearly has product market fit, but it doesn't yet have iPhone or iPad levels of market fit.

kridsdale1 2y ago
And maybe it just… won’t. We shouldn’t use that as the stick. Sometimes it’s ok to make Lamborghini and it’s not a failure to say it has less owners than the Corolla.
- dmarcos 2y ago
  Making a niche product is fine but that’s not the “next computing platform” that justifies $16B/year investment by Meta alone.
dmarcos 2y ago
You have data to back up your claim that “Vision Pro owners are using it often multiple hours a day? That’s a shrinking tiny fraction of AVP buyers based on my experience. I’ve been in the industry for a decade. I have an AVP, know many other owners and devs with published apps. I’m myself the dev of moonrider: most popular WebXR application so see the industry numbers. Also sales /= usage and retention. Engagement is what you need to grow a platform. Your numbers about XBox sales might be true for a brief period of time between Quest2 and Quest3 releases. Still what matters is engagement and retention. As mentioned only product-market (albeit niche) fit for VR has been some games subgenres. Can you point to any other applications with significant numbers?
- parasubvert 2y ago
  > You have data to back up your claim that “Vision Pro owners are using it often multiple hours a day? That’s a shrinking tiny fraction of AVP buyers based on my experience. I’ve been in the industry for a decade. I have an AVP, know many other owners and devs with published apps. I’m myself the dev of moonrider: most popular WebXR application so see the industry numbers. I have no more data than you do when you say a "shrinking tiny fraction" of AVP buyers. I've been in the industry for 30 years. We both have our anecdata.
  - dmarcos 2y ago
    Do you currently have any published content on any platform? Burden of proof is on the one making a claim. One of the signs of product-market fit is word of mouth organic growth. I’m a dev with published content and know a plethora of other devs. None seeing significant growth or improved retention. If you’re right the evidence is really hidden. Any forum or community where I can talk to the users that are using AVP a ton?