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I suspect we have different definitions of "political speech" and "silence" and how that applies to the 1st amendment. Jan 6 was an abomination, and it should

I suspect we have different definitions of "political speech" and "silence" and how that applies to the 1st amendment. Jan 6 was an abomination, and it should not be controversial for a tech company that values democratic values to call for algorithm and advertising transparency.

PKop 2y ago
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- unethical_ban 2y ago
  >We're beyond engaging in these discussions as if they're in good faith. Due to the inevitable abuse that unfettered viral social media, black-box algorithms and dark money in social media advertising lead to. I 100% believe Elon Musk's PAC should be shamed and possibly punished for simultaneously running "Kamala stands with Israel" in Muslim Michigan while running "Kamala stands with Palestine" in Jewish Philadelphia. Then again, punished? Maybe America should be punished for electing these charlatans. Support cutting taxes for the rich and recycling the bodies of the poor to feed into a new Monsanto product? Fine. But lie about facts, spin up millions of fake accounts to promote lies, and try to hide where the lies are coming from? Nah, fuck that. Social media should stop disinformation. > It's never not going to be "controversial" for a faction to oppose things that are obviously bad for them. If spewing disinformation is all the right has going for them, then I don't care what they think - cut them off. Just like I'm not surprised that CEOs hate unions and taxes.
  - PKop 2y ago
    Here you are wanting a pity party for how democratic politics work (winning over factions with competing interests). That was a genius political move. He illustrated strong understanding of how politics works, are you confused? Tell me then, which side did Kamala stand with? >Support cutting taxes I love low taxes, I hope they are cut extensively. I'll be thrilled if/when this happens. >Maybe America should be punished The winners, not the losers, get to decide who gets punished. But yes, wishing ill on your political enemies is exactly what I pegged as your main motivation, which is why dressing it up in fake moralism doesn't work. >Monsanto The new head of Health and Human Services on Monsanto: https://youtu.be/gGoNyvAvhf0?si=vWOF5LXtMIDL71k9 https://youtu.be/gGoNyvAvhf0?si=vWOF5LXtMIDL71k9
    - unethical_ban 2y ago
      I don't know what you're talking about in your first sentence. What side is Harris on? I don't know, the side that hates this country and its government less? I'm sorry you're celebrating someone hacking democratic processes with lies and hatred, just because he won. (Shocking how quickly the GOP base decided elections are valid when their side has a win). I support making America more affordable for the working classes. Besides the fact that Donald's policies may raise taxes for the lower class while cutting it for businesses and the rich (Hello, 2017!), his plans would raise prices on all people. Great job. >But yes, wishing ill on your political enemies is exactly what I pegged as your main motivation That's not what I meant. I did not confirm your hypothesis. You misread. What I meant is that the winning candidate will fuck everyone over, including his voters. I don't want a 2028 Democrat to be elected then take out retribution on Republicans. That is terrible and un-American. That's what Donald is doing. I'm saying that Donald voters want to touch the hot stove, and it's time to let them feel the burn. If we're going to cut social services, raise prices further on goods through 6th grade economics, let the billionaire sycophants of Donald destroy the laws that hold their businesses accountable, and institute a pogrom on brown-looking people, then I hope the supporters of the regime are the ones most hurt by their own policies. The fact that RFK Jr. wants to regulate additives in food alongside taking away vaccines is the high point of what a reasonable person can look forward to for the next four years, is sad.
      - PKop 2y ago
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      - unethical_ban 2y ago
        I can't reply to PKop's reply, so I'll say a few things here. Immigration in the US and Europe are different issues. Immigration in the US is not why things are expensive in the US, not why crime is any level of issue in the US. Immigrants are not causing the problems this country faces. To the extent that unchecked immigration/migration is an issue, the solution would be a point-forward policy of harsher denials, shorter stints in judicial review, and enforcement of legal residence on employers like agriculture, hospitality, food service, construction, and other undocumented-worker-prevalent industries. We had a border bill that was agreed to, then GOP backed out because Donald didn't want something to be achieved during the Biden term. Kind of like how the GOP and Dems hammered out a CR to fund the government, then Musk and his assistant Donald told the GOP to back out of it and shut the government down. *The GOP doesn't want to fix immigration, they just want people to be mad about it*. Fucking over undocumented immigrants isn't the way to "make their country stronger and better for their own citizens". We could be talking about better visa programs, legal residence programs, employment verification, stronger stances with other nations on how to deport people back to certain countries in certain circumstances... Mass deportation in the US is lazy at best and hateful at worst. ---- Biden and Donald, GOP and Democrats, played a part in the money printing that caused inflation in the past four years. Golly gee whiz, I wonder what happened in 2020 to make that happen across the entire planet? Governments are lurching rightward for a number of reasons, and trying to play like the GOP is innocent in the reasons people are angry is foolish. Donald won't fix affordability. He won't fix housing. He won't fix access to healthcare. Whatever "fix" occurs with immigration is at the cost of uprooting millions of peaceful members of our society so that some citizens can take joy in others' pain (because it isn't about border security, stop repeating that). It's fair to be mad at the cost of living right now, but that doesn't make it reasonable to give people a pass for voting for a criminal piece of trash who has no decent "concept of a plan" for anything, and only wants to burn the government to the ground because it's the only thing that's tried to hold him accountable to his actions in his life.
- em-bee 2y ago
  We're beyond engaging in these discussions as if they're in good faith. there is the problem. regardless of who is right or who is actually arguing in good faith, if you stop assuming good faith from someone then you are yourself no longer listening to what others have to say nor making a constructive contribution. i am adressing this to all participants in an argument. the reality is that all sides are guilty of this and if we want to effect any kind of change this behavior or attitude must stop. start listening to each other and try to actually understand what each others concerns are, and then work together to address them. across the world opposing parties are just fighting each other, blaming any problems on others instead of cooperating to actually solve problems.
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    I agree, and when I'm in person with someone, particularly someone I know, I will listen to them. Among several Donald voters I know, I talked to one who I've known for more than 20 years. We agree on many things in life, in morals, in politics. But he voted for Donald. I didn't agree with what I perceived to be his flawed reasoning, but I listened, didn't call him names, and I know he doesn't hate certain classes of people. (He's just wrong about some things). It's harder to do that online, when I don't know if someone is even real, or if they have the ability to have a decent discussion. And my patience when typing is thinner than in person, so I don't have time to explain how Donald matches everything everyone should have learned to be wary of in history class.
    - em-bee 2y ago
      It's harder to do that online that is unfortunately true. the only way to deal with that though in my opinion is to not engage people like that online. when i get the feeling that this happens i bail out. it's not worth my time.

PKop 2y ago

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unethical_ban 2y ago
>We're beyond engaging in these discussions as if they're in good faith. Due to the inevitable abuse that unfettered viral social media, black-box algorithms and dark money in social media advertising lead to. I 100% believe Elon Musk's PAC should be shamed and possibly punished for simultaneously running "Kamala stands with Israel" in Muslim Michigan while running "Kamala stands with Palestine" in Jewish Philadelphia. Then again, punished? Maybe America should be punished for electing these charlatans. Support cutting taxes for the rich and recycling the bodies of the poor to feed into a new Monsanto product? Fine. But lie about facts, spin up millions of fake accounts to promote lies, and try to hide where the lies are coming from? Nah, fuck that. Social media should stop disinformation. > It's never not going to be "controversial" for a faction to oppose things that are obviously bad for them. If spewing disinformation is all the right has going for them, then I don't care what they think - cut them off. Just like I'm not surprised that CEOs hate unions and taxes.
- PKop 2y ago
  Here you are wanting a pity party for how democratic politics work (winning over factions with competing interests). That was a genius political move. He illustrated strong understanding of how politics works, are you confused? Tell me then, which side did Kamala stand with? >Support cutting taxes I love low taxes, I hope they are cut extensively. I'll be thrilled if/when this happens. >Maybe America should be punished The winners, not the losers, get to decide who gets punished. But yes, wishing ill on your political enemies is exactly what I pegged as your main motivation, which is why dressing it up in fake moralism doesn't work. >Monsanto The new head of Health and Human Services on Monsanto: https://youtu.be/gGoNyvAvhf0?si=vWOF5LXtMIDL71k9 https://youtu.be/gGoNyvAvhf0?si=vWOF5LXtMIDL71k9
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    I don't know what you're talking about in your first sentence. What side is Harris on? I don't know, the side that hates this country and its government less? I'm sorry you're celebrating someone hacking democratic processes with lies and hatred, just because he won. (Shocking how quickly the GOP base decided elections are valid when their side has a win). I support making America more affordable for the working classes. Besides the fact that Donald's policies may raise taxes for the lower class while cutting it for businesses and the rich (Hello, 2017!), his plans would raise prices on all people. Great job. >But yes, wishing ill on your political enemies is exactly what I pegged as your main motivation That's not what I meant. I did not confirm your hypothesis. You misread. What I meant is that the winning candidate will fuck everyone over, including his voters. I don't want a 2028 Democrat to be elected then take out retribution on Republicans. That is terrible and un-American. That's what Donald is doing. I'm saying that Donald voters want to touch the hot stove, and it's time to let them feel the burn. If we're going to cut social services, raise prices further on goods through 6th grade economics, let the billionaire sycophants of Donald destroy the laws that hold their businesses accountable, and institute a pogrom on brown-looking people, then I hope the supporters of the regime are the ones most hurt by their own policies. The fact that RFK Jr. wants to regulate additives in food alongside taking away vaccines is the high point of what a reasonable person can look forward to for the next four years, is sad.
    - PKop 2y ago
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    - unethical_ban 2y ago
      I can't reply to PKop's reply, so I'll say a few things here. Immigration in the US and Europe are different issues. Immigration in the US is not why things are expensive in the US, not why crime is any level of issue in the US. Immigrants are not causing the problems this country faces. To the extent that unchecked immigration/migration is an issue, the solution would be a point-forward policy of harsher denials, shorter stints in judicial review, and enforcement of legal residence on employers like agriculture, hospitality, food service, construction, and other undocumented-worker-prevalent industries. We had a border bill that was agreed to, then GOP backed out because Donald didn't want something to be achieved during the Biden term. Kind of like how the GOP and Dems hammered out a CR to fund the government, then Musk and his assistant Donald told the GOP to back out of it and shut the government down. *The GOP doesn't want to fix immigration, they just want people to be mad about it*. Fucking over undocumented immigrants isn't the way to "make their country stronger and better for their own citizens". We could be talking about better visa programs, legal residence programs, employment verification, stronger stances with other nations on how to deport people back to certain countries in certain circumstances... Mass deportation in the US is lazy at best and hateful at worst. ---- Biden and Donald, GOP and Democrats, played a part in the money printing that caused inflation in the past four years. Golly gee whiz, I wonder what happened in 2020 to make that happen across the entire planet? Governments are lurching rightward for a number of reasons, and trying to play like the GOP is innocent in the reasons people are angry is foolish. Donald won't fix affordability. He won't fix housing. He won't fix access to healthcare. Whatever "fix" occurs with immigration is at the cost of uprooting millions of peaceful members of our society so that some citizens can take joy in others' pain (because it isn't about border security, stop repeating that). It's fair to be mad at the cost of living right now, but that doesn't make it reasonable to give people a pass for voting for a criminal piece of trash who has no decent "concept of a plan" for anything, and only wants to burn the government to the ground because it's the only thing that's tried to hold him accountable to his actions in his life.
em-bee 2y ago
We're beyond engaging in these discussions as if they're in good faith. there is the problem. regardless of who is right or who is actually arguing in good faith, if you stop assuming good faith from someone then you are yourself no longer listening to what others have to say nor making a constructive contribution. i am adressing this to all participants in an argument. the reality is that all sides are guilty of this and if we want to effect any kind of change this behavior or attitude must stop. start listening to each other and try to actually understand what each others concerns are, and then work together to address them. across the world opposing parties are just fighting each other, blaming any problems on others instead of cooperating to actually solve problems.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  I agree, and when I'm in person with someone, particularly someone I know, I will listen to them. Among several Donald voters I know, I talked to one who I've known for more than 20 years. We agree on many things in life, in morals, in politics. But he voted for Donald. I didn't agree with what I perceived to be his flawed reasoning, but I listened, didn't call him names, and I know he doesn't hate certain classes of people. (He's just wrong about some things). It's harder to do that online, when I don't know if someone is even real, or if they have the ability to have a decent discussion. And my patience when typing is thinner than in person, so I don't have time to explain how Donald matches everything everyone should have learned to be wary of in history class.
  - em-bee 2y ago
    It's harder to do that online that is unfortunately true. the only way to deal with that though in my opinion is to not engage people like that online. when i get the feeling that this happens i bail out. it's not worth my time.