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> As written, the proposed remedies will force smaller and independent browsers like Firefox to fundamentally reexamine their entire operating model. I think a

by qzw 2y ago

> As written, the proposed remedies will force smaller and independent browsers like Firefox to fundamentally reexamine their entire operating model. I think a lot of us Firefox users would see that as a good thing, or at least no worse than the status quo. Firefox is now a small slice of the market, and it seems Mozilla has lost the will to ever truly challenge Chrome again. Maybe removing the easy Google money would be, shall we say, motivating.

unethical_ban 2y ago
What do you think Mozilla should be doing to recapture market share from Chrome that they aren't doing now?
- lukan 2y ago
  Stop doing weird campaigns, or rather anything unrelated to building a browser. Rehire the servo team. Focus on the devs. There was a time, when firefox with the firebug plugin was the dev tool for the web. So people made sure websites worked in Firefox. But since quite a while, chrome dev tools are superior in allmost every regard and the ff ones unusable to me. Oh and let go of the expensive management. The one that openly talks about privacy, but ships FF with tracking and advertisment integrated by default. Stuff like this burned my trust. So I still use FF, because chrome is not better in that regard, but that is the only reason.
  - jimjimwii 2y ago
    I'd also say they should listen to power users: allow any/custom add-ons and re-enable dev tools in Firefox for Android (like kiwi browser). A mainstream android browser with these two features would easily outclass chrome on android for most power users.
  - MiguelX413 2y ago
    So you basically think they should stop trying to make revenue streams independent from Google.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  [flagged]
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y ago
  Revert to 3.6 and redo the last 15 years
- binary132 2y ago
  I honestly do not think Mozilla is fixable.
- qzw 2y ago
  If I were in charge? I would start by creating 3 (or more) editions of Firefox, segmented to casual, power, and pro users. Casual would be similar to the current Firefox, but with even more focus on ease of use, a “hand holding” mode, and more clarity and guidance when it comes to security and privacy. Power would have most hidden options exposed in UI, personalizations would be exportable/importable, extensions and user scripts would of course be treated as first class citizens. Pro would be fully customizable/optimizable for different verticals like medical, scientific, industrial, legal, engineering, etc. maybe a set of templates that can then be further customized, plus LTS with guarantee against random UI changes and ongoing testing against important sites/apps in each vertical. This is also where you could have a marketplace for high-end extensions or full on mods for the Pro edition. Pricing wise, Casual would be free, Power would be free with a donation of any amount or contribution of code/bug reports, and Pro would be $$ per seat per year, plus a cut of sales in the marketplace. That’s how I would start. I have lots of other ideas for longer term projects all focused on the browser.
ksec 2y ago
> and it seems Mozilla has lost the will to ever truly challenge Chrome again They never intend to challenge Chrome in the first place. Once they displaced IE, and Chrome gained ground they considered themselves mission accomplished. Although I cant search for the reference where Mozilla said this. It was in the early 10s. Much more looking forward to Ladybird.
VladStanimir 2y ago
Honestly with out Google's money i think Mozilla is more likely then not to drop Firefox development in favor of ads and AI.

by qzw 2y ago

unethical_ban 2y ago

What do you think Mozilla should be doing to recapture market share from Chrome that they aren't doing now?

lukan 2y ago
Stop doing weird campaigns, or rather anything unrelated to building a browser. Rehire the servo team. Focus on the devs. There was a time, when firefox with the firebug plugin was the dev tool for the web. So people made sure websites worked in Firefox. But since quite a while, chrome dev tools are superior in allmost every regard and the ff ones unusable to me. Oh and let go of the expensive management. The one that openly talks about privacy, but ships FF with tracking and advertisment integrated by default. Stuff like this burned my trust. So I still use FF, because chrome is not better in that regard, but that is the only reason.
- jimjimwii 2y ago
  I'd also say they should listen to power users: allow any/custom add-ons and re-enable dev tools in Firefox for Android (like kiwi browser). A mainstream android browser with these two features would easily outclass chrome on android for most power users.
- MiguelX413 2y ago
  So you basically think they should stop trying to make revenue streams independent from Google.
Dalewyn 2y ago
[flagged]
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y ago
Revert to 3.6 and redo the last 15 years
binary132 2y ago
I honestly do not think Mozilla is fixable.
qzw 2y ago
If I were in charge? I would start by creating 3 (or more) editions of Firefox, segmented to casual, power, and pro users. Casual would be similar to the current Firefox, but with even more focus on ease of use, a “hand holding” mode, and more clarity and guidance when it comes to security and privacy. Power would have most hidden options exposed in UI, personalizations would be exportable/importable, extensions and user scripts would of course be treated as first class citizens. Pro would be fully customizable/optimizable for different verticals like medical, scientific, industrial, legal, engineering, etc. maybe a set of templates that can then be further customized, plus LTS with guarantee against random UI changes and ongoing testing against important sites/apps in each vertical. This is also where you could have a marketplace for high-end extensions or full on mods for the Pro edition. Pricing wise, Casual would be free, Power would be free with a donation of any amount or contribution of code/bug reports, and Pro would be $$ per seat per year, plus a cut of sales in the marketplace. That’s how I would start. I have lots of other ideas for longer term projects all focused on the browser.

ksec 2y ago

> and it seems Mozilla has lost the will to ever truly challenge Chrome again They never intend to challenge Chrome in the first place. Once they displaced IE, and Chrome gained ground they considered themselves mission accomplished. Although I cant search for the reference where Mozilla said this. It was in the early 10s. Much more looking forward to Ladybird.

VladStanimir 2y ago

Honestly with out Google's money i think Mozilla is more likely then not to drop Firefox development in favor of ads and AI.