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> I don’t think a lot of us in poor countries care to stop producing CO2 I’m not sure about the situation everywhere but China gouvernement seems to care more

> I don’t think a lot of us in poor countries care to stop producing CO2 I’m not sure about the situation everywhere but China gouvernement seems to care more than most other countries, rich or not. They flew a commercial plane with SAF in September. I personally think SAF is a terrible idea but give them credits for willingness.

tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
Curious: Why is SAF a terrible idea? I don't think we're going to be able to electrify long-distance flights any time soon, and SAF seems like the most sensible solution that's actually available.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  SAF production is in direct competition against food production for water and space. They also generate a lot of CO2e because moving stuff long distance and/or via air require a lot of energy. SAF didn’t change anything here. I’m sure the claimed 85% CO2 reduction can be "proved" by analyzing choosen aspect while ignoring others. I really trust the willingness of the executives at work but understand they’re biased to continue A.business B.lifestyle. Most executives are over optimistic of what they’re doing because that’s a good think for their business. I don’t blame.
fipar 2y ago
You are correct in part but I think not in whole, since I said "a lot of us" and I'm pretty sure people in China would continue driving ICE and flying if it was up to them, the changes are just imposed top-down. I'm glad when an authoritarian regime does something that ends up being good but 1) I still dislike the regime, and 2) I don't think that's something you can rely on. Plus I'm pretty sure (just like everyone else) they're doing this not to avoid climate change but because they have a huge opportunity coming out ahead as providers of cleaner means of transportation (IMHO they already kick ass in EVs and will be the dominant player in this market). But your point stands and has a lot of merit. What remains of my point is that I suspect most people in China wouldn't care about CO2 if up to them, and most of the rest of the poor/undeveloped countries will continue to not care.
- acdha 2y ago
  > Plus I'm pretty sure (just like everyone else) they're doing this not to avoid climate change but because they have a huge opportunity coming out ahead as providers of cleaner means of transportation I detest the authoritarian government but in this case it’s hard to feel bad if it actually works. Our strategy of letting hordes of MBAs optimize for the quarterly report is racking up future costs and unfortunately I don’t think we have the luxury of being picky about who’s going in the right direction here.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  Totally agree! I’m frightened by what’s coming next.

tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago

Curious: Why is SAF a terrible idea? I don't think we're going to be able to electrify long-distance flights any time soon, and SAF seems like the most sensible solution that's actually available.

aziaziazi 2y ago
SAF production is in direct competition against food production for water and space. They also generate a lot of CO2e because moving stuff long distance and/or via air require a lot of energy. SAF didn’t change anything here. I’m sure the claimed 85% CO2 reduction can be "proved" by analyzing choosen aspect while ignoring others. I really trust the willingness of the executives at work but understand they’re biased to continue A.business B.lifestyle. Most executives are over optimistic of what they’re doing because that’s a good think for their business. I don’t blame.

fipar 2y ago

You are correct in part but I think not in whole, since I said "a lot of us" and I'm pretty sure people in China would continue driving ICE and flying if it was up to them, the changes are just imposed top-down. I'm glad when an authoritarian regime does something that ends up being good but 1) I still dislike the regime, and 2) I don't think that's something you can rely on. Plus I'm pretty sure (just like everyone else) they're doing this not to avoid climate change but because they have a huge opportunity coming out ahead as providers of cleaner means of transportation (IMHO they already kick ass in EVs and will be the dominant player in this market). But your point stands and has a lot of merit. What remains of my point is that I suspect most people in China wouldn't care about CO2 if up to them, and most of the rest of the poor/undeveloped countries will continue to not care.

acdha 2y ago
> Plus I'm pretty sure (just like everyone else) they're doing this not to avoid climate change but because they have a huge opportunity coming out ahead as providers of cleaner means of transportation I detest the authoritarian government but in this case it’s hard to feel bad if it actually works. Our strategy of letting hordes of MBAs optimize for the quarterly report is racking up future costs and unfortunately I don’t think we have the luxury of being picky about who’s going in the right direction here.
aziaziazi 2y ago
Totally agree! I’m frightened by what’s coming next.