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But the main service of my ISP is the internet access, the DNS is basically a free addition that isn’t really relevant to the thing I contract them for. Its li

But the main service of my ISP is the internet access, the DNS is basically a free addition that isn’t really relevant to the thing I contract them for. Its like renting a server at Hetzner and their wiki on how to install some program has an error. It’s not ideal but the main point of the service isn’t impacted.

xvinci 2y ago
That's a very naive take imho. As far as I am aware your default DNS server on widnows is obtained via DHCP, meaning for most people it is chosen by the hardware provided by your ISP. Most people would include working DNS resolution to their "I bought internet access from you", even though they might not know about DNS and you are tecnically right. But I bet even judges would see it that way.
- lovich 2y ago
  Yea, arguing that DNS resolution is not part of your internet service is like the utility arguing that water isn’t included as part of your hookup, the real service is the pipes and you can source alternate water to fill it
- echoangle 2y ago
  Even the router isn’t really your ISPs job, I bring my own and don’t care. Of course some users are just going to do the easy thing and get Router and config from the ISP. But that’s less bad than DPI for example.
  - rfl890 2y ago
    Keep in mind that their target demographic isn't hackers, it's the average Joe who probably doesn't know what DNS is.
    - layer8 2y ago
      Not to excuse anything, but there’s a significant segment of reasonably computer-savvy users between “hackers” and the average Joe, who do know well enough what DNS is, just like they know what VPNs are and their use for streaming and the like.
    - immibis 2y ago
      When are operating systems going to start resolving names themselves instead of relying on ISP caches?
  - 7bit 2y ago
    Why do you continue to argue down the naive path?
  - axus 2y ago
    I'm using the router provided by ISP as part of the contract for service. As long as they don't withhold administrator credentials, no problem.
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jcarrano 2y ago
Only because most people don't set their DNS server manually. When most OSes and/or browsers start ignoring the default DNS settings ISPs will devise another system which does impact the main point of the service.

xvinci 2y ago

That's a very naive take imho. As far as I am aware your default DNS server on widnows is obtained via DHCP, meaning for most people it is chosen by the hardware provided by your ISP. Most people would include working DNS resolution to their "I bought internet access from you", even though they might not know about DNS and you are tecnically right. But I bet even judges would see it that way.

lovich 2y ago
Yea, arguing that DNS resolution is not part of your internet service is like the utility arguing that water isn’t included as part of your hookup, the real service is the pipes and you can source alternate water to fill it
echoangle 2y ago
Even the router isn’t really your ISPs job, I bring my own and don’t care. Of course some users are just going to do the easy thing and get Router and config from the ISP. But that’s less bad than DPI for example.
- rfl890 2y ago
  Keep in mind that their target demographic isn't hackers, it's the average Joe who probably doesn't know what DNS is.
  - layer8 2y ago
    Not to excuse anything, but there’s a significant segment of reasonably computer-savvy users between “hackers” and the average Joe, who do know well enough what DNS is, just like they know what VPNs are and their use for streaming and the like.
  - immibis 2y ago
    When are operating systems going to start resolving names themselves instead of relying on ISP caches?
- 7bit 2y ago
  Why do you continue to argue down the naive path?
- axus 2y ago
  I'm using the router provided by ISP as part of the contract for service. As long as they don't withhold administrator credentials, no problem.

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jcarrano 2y ago

Only because most people don't set their DNS server manually. When most OSes and/or browsers start ignoring the default DNS settings ISPs will devise another system which does impact the main point of the service.