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Wow, I can't imagine why companies don't want to hire you

by Ardren 2y ago

dijit 2y ago
its perfectly acceptable to be bitter and express it sometimes when you have the perception that life has been unfair to you for half a decade. It doesn’t necessarily speak to the parent’s attitude before becoming bitter. Hard to draw such a direct conclusion for me.
- enkid 2y ago
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  - dijit 2y ago
    I work in video games, if I didn’t I would have no pool of candidates to choose from. However if you read what I wrote: 1) Current attitude is not necessarily prior attitude 2) A histrionic tirade is not indicative of an outwardly perceptible attitude, in fact, its more common that these kinds of outburts are from a person who is not outwardly bitter enough day-to-day and is forced to be positive. (thus it boils inside them and becomes venomous) 3) Bitterness is usually the combination of a (often still) motivated person who feels let down. Your companies most negative voices are very often the ones who are passionate but sad about things. Its the “checked-outs” who you really don’t want if you’re building something you want to be good.
  - buran77 2y ago
    It's very unlikely that people just start by being bitter against an industry, but extremely likely that an industry gave people reason to become bitter in time. People tend to start their careers fresh and free of preconceptions, while industries keep carrying their "blemishes" through decades and many generations of people. You're applying the circular reasoning of "of course I treat you like crap because you have a bad attitude (because I treat you like crap)", while ignoring the part in the bracket.
  - crystal_revenge 2y ago
    I hunted down someone who was known for their bitter critique of the industry I was in at the time (because I could tell the critique came from the frustrations of someone who was very technically skilled), convinced them to join my team and they've been one of my best hires to date. This individual was a great contributor and long outlasted my tenure at the company (so it's not just my bias), only to eventually move on to even better roles. Frankly, if you work in tech and haven't been bitter about some nonsense in this field, I suspect you must not be particularly engaged or passionate about the area you work in.
UltraSane 2y ago
Becoming deeply bitter is a very normal outcome of dealing with US company hiring processes in 2024
- FrozenSynapse 2y ago
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  - tivert 2y ago
    > maybe he's not as competent as he thinks he is I'm not going to let industry off the hook by blaming the victim. It's not the defense industry, but I know a very qualified person who's been having a lot of trouble being hired for what must be stupid, industry-dysfunction reasons.
- borski 2y ago
  Becoming deeply bitter is a very normal outcome of dealing with literally anything, in any year. It has very little to do with US company hiring processes and a lot to do with someone’s attitude and outlook on life. Both of my dads (father and FIL) got cancer this year. My mom almost did. You don’t have to become deeply bitter, no matter what your situation. Many people do anyway, and that is by no means a moral failing of any kind, but it has very little to do with the individual events that precipitated it.
  - dijit 2y ago
    This deserves a much more thought out and nuanced answer than I am capable to give. I will try anyway. Let's take something that we have more information about: burnout. Since burnout is a hot button topic, we're all somewhat aware about it. Many people misconstrue burnout to mean "overworked" - which it's not, it's a type of depression where your emotional investment is not getting adequate emotional returns: and that's what's happening with your depiction of "bitter". You had objectively worse situations happening to you, yes! However- the conditions in which they happened were: * Not artificial. There was no concerted effort by the universe to conspire to give your fathers cancer. * You were given sympathy * You were given the opportunity to actually air grievances about it before it boiled up- likely you were told that it's healthy to feel bad or to express yourself. Likewise, bitterness is the culmination of being treated in a way you perceive as unfair, and it starts small. It gets worse when not treated. Treatment is as easy as letting people be a little angry sometimes or to let them talk about their issues and be met with something other than condescension. You had a worse situation, yes, but you're talking about people getting moody as a moral failing. It would be like me telling a woman not to be moody on her period because some men have their arms blown off on oil rigs. They're not comparable at all.
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account42 2y ago
A rant on the internet has nothing to do with how someone acts as a (prospective) employee.

Wow, I can't imagine why companies don't want to hire you

by Ardren 2y ago

Wow, I can't imagine why companies don't want to hire you

its perfectly acceptable to be bitter and express it sometimes when you have the perception that life has been unfair to you for half a decade. It doesn’t necessarily speak to the parent’s attitude before becoming bitter. Hard to draw such a direct conclusion for me.

enkid 2y ago
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- dijit 2y ago
  I work in video games, if I didn’t I would have no pool of candidates to choose from. However if you read what I wrote: 1) Current attitude is not necessarily prior attitude 2) A histrionic tirade is not indicative of an outwardly perceptible attitude, in fact, its more common that these kinds of outburts are from a person who is not outwardly bitter enough day-to-day and is forced to be positive. (thus it boils inside them and becomes venomous) 3) Bitterness is usually the combination of a (often still) motivated person who feels let down. Your companies most negative voices are very often the ones who are passionate but sad about things. Its the “checked-outs” who you really don’t want if you’re building something you want to be good.
- buran77 2y ago
  It's very unlikely that people just start by being bitter against an industry, but extremely likely that an industry gave people reason to become bitter in time. People tend to start their careers fresh and free of preconceptions, while industries keep carrying their "blemishes" through decades and many generations of people. You're applying the circular reasoning of "of course I treat you like crap because you have a bad attitude (because I treat you like crap)", while ignoring the part in the bracket.
- crystal_revenge 2y ago
  I hunted down someone who was known for their bitter critique of the industry I was in at the time (because I could tell the critique came from the frustrations of someone who was very technically skilled), convinced them to join my team and they've been one of my best hires to date. This individual was a great contributor and long outlasted my tenure at the company (so it's not just my bias), only to eventually move on to even better roles. Frankly, if you work in tech and haven't been bitter about some nonsense in this field, I suspect you must not be particularly engaged or passionate about the area you work in.

UltraSane 2y ago

Becoming deeply bitter is a very normal outcome of dealing with US company hiring processes in 2024

FrozenSynapse 2y ago
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- tivert 2y ago
  > maybe he's not as competent as he thinks he is I'm not going to let industry off the hook by blaming the victim. It's not the defense industry, but I know a very qualified person who's been having a lot of trouble being hired for what must be stupid, industry-dysfunction reasons.
borski 2y ago
Becoming deeply bitter is a very normal outcome of dealing with literally anything, in any year. It has very little to do with US company hiring processes and a lot to do with someone’s attitude and outlook on life. Both of my dads (father and FIL) got cancer this year. My mom almost did. You don’t have to become deeply bitter, no matter what your situation. Many people do anyway, and that is by no means a moral failing of any kind, but it has very little to do with the individual events that precipitated it.
- dijit 2y ago
  This deserves a much more thought out and nuanced answer than I am capable to give. I will try anyway. Let's take something that we have more information about: burnout. Since burnout is a hot button topic, we're all somewhat aware about it. Many people misconstrue burnout to mean "overworked" - which it's not, it's a type of depression where your emotional investment is not getting adequate emotional returns: and that's what's happening with your depiction of "bitter". You had objectively worse situations happening to you, yes! However- the conditions in which they happened were: * Not artificial. There was no concerted effort by the universe to conspire to give your fathers cancer. * You were given sympathy * You were given the opportunity to actually air grievances about it before it boiled up- likely you were told that it's healthy to feel bad or to express yourself. Likewise, bitterness is the culmination of being treated in a way you perceive as unfair, and it starts small. It gets worse when not treated. Treatment is as easy as letting people be a little angry sometimes or to let them talk about their issues and be met with something other than condescension. You had a worse situation, yes, but you're talking about people getting moody as a moral failing. It would be like me telling a woman not to be moody on her period because some men have their arms blown off on oil rigs. They're not comparable at all.

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account42 2y ago

A rant on the internet has nothing to do with how someone acts as a (prospective) employee.