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I don't think that's necesairily true for HN people? I regularly get mind-blown by the number of anti-features of modern cars v.s. my 32 y/o Camry. Some that

I don't think that's necesairily true for HN people? I regularly get mind-blown by the number of anti-features of modern cars v.s. my 32 y/o Camry. Some that come to mind: no physical buttons, no right/possibility to repair the car yourself, can't replace the car stereo by something else, extremely slow unusable navigation systems even in 2024 models (I just use my smartphone and put it where the screen would be in a modern car), beeping when not wearing seatbelt even at 5 km/hr on a parking lot, data plans/simcards to enable car spyware, extremely expensive tires with (broken) pressure sensors in them, headlights made of plastic instead of glass that get ugly after a couple of years, use of rusting materials instead of aluminum for body, active suspension systems that are extremely expensive to service, tons of unnecessary electronics that will break as the car gets slightly older and extremely expensive to service. I could go on and on.

VariousPrograms 2y ago
The first time I drove some new-ish Toyota that displayed a tap-to-dismiss advertisement for the navigation subscription every single time you started it up, I knew I would never own one of these smartphones on wheels.
vv_ 2y ago
> no physical buttons New cars are reintroducing physical buttons again. > no right/possibility to repair the car yourself Unless you're talking about electric vehicles, this isn't true. You can buy diagnostic equipment and do the repairs yourself on most modern cars. > can't replace the car stereo by something else Huh? > extremely slow unusable navigation systems even in 2024 models That's why you don't buy a car without Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. It's especially good on newer vehicles as there are integrations with the dashboard and HUD too. > beeping when not wearing seatbelt even at 5 km/hr on a parking lot This is because of government regulation. > data plans/simcards to enable car spyware You're not obligated to buy them. I don't think their software package is good enough to warrant such a purchase, but if they would be able to bring it up to what aftermarket guys are offering it would be a great addition. > extremely expensive tires with (broken) pressure sensors in them Huh? > headlights made of plastic instead of glass that get ugly after a couple of years You can restore them fairly easily. It's funny you ignore that the same issue happened to old cars too, on top of the fact their headlights were horrible to begin with. > use of rusting materials instead of aluminum for body This is partly because of regulation and partly because of cost-cutting. > active suspension systems that are extremely expensive to service Buy an expensive high-performance vehicle and it'll be costly to service. > tons of unnecessary electronics that will break as the car gets slightly older and extremely expensive to service The regulatory environment has changed significantly. Without these sensors you'd have a very inefficient or very slow car. Furthermore, the vast majority of these sensors you can change yourself.

VariousPrograms 2y ago

The first time I drove some new-ish Toyota that displayed a tap-to-dismiss advertisement for the navigation subscription every single time you started it up, I knew I would never own one of these smartphones on wheels.

vv_ 2y ago

> no physical buttons New cars are reintroducing physical buttons again. > no right/possibility to repair the car yourself Unless you're talking about electric vehicles, this isn't true. You can buy diagnostic equipment and do the repairs yourself on most modern cars. > can't replace the car stereo by something else Huh? > extremely slow unusable navigation systems even in 2024 models That's why you don't buy a car without Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. It's especially good on newer vehicles as there are integrations with the dashboard and HUD too. > beeping when not wearing seatbelt even at 5 km/hr on a parking lot This is because of government regulation. > data plans/simcards to enable car spyware You're not obligated to buy them. I don't think their software package is good enough to warrant such a purchase, but if they would be able to bring it up to what aftermarket guys are offering it would be a great addition. > extremely expensive tires with (broken) pressure sensors in them Huh? > headlights made of plastic instead of glass that get ugly after a couple of years You can restore them fairly easily. It's funny you ignore that the same issue happened to old cars too, on top of the fact their headlights were horrible to begin with. > use of rusting materials instead of aluminum for body This is partly because of regulation and partly because of cost-cutting. > active suspension systems that are extremely expensive to service Buy an expensive high-performance vehicle and it'll be costly to service. > tons of unnecessary electronics that will break as the car gets slightly older and extremely expensive to service The regulatory environment has changed significantly. Without these sensors you'd have a very inefficient or very slow car. Furthermore, the vast majority of these sensors you can change yourself.