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Yes who should we trust here when it comes to data collection. Apple or Meta. According to Apple they are asking for effectively everything on the device e.g.

Yes who should we trust here when it comes to data collection. Apple or Meta. According to Apple they are asking for effectively everything on the device e.g. all photos, emails, messages, passwords. Far beyond what is needed for WhatsApp etc to work but would be game changing for their ad and AI platforms. And plenty do let us know when Apple has used our own data to exploit us like Meta has.

bburnett44 2y ago
It feels like there should be a user option to allow (default deny) this. Like it doesn’t have to be that the minute you install WhatsApp it gets access to all of your texts or calls. But it sucks to be stuck w iMessage when that’s just locking me into apples ecosystem
- threeseed 2y ago
  The problem is that we have decades of experience with your approach. And it simply doesn’t work. Users will click any dialog box especially when the app makes features conditional on its approval. The only way this works is what Apple and Google have implemented. Which is to allow access to a single photo or contact but not the entire library. But that’s not what Meta is after. They want everything.
talldayo 2y ago
False dichotomy. I trust neither - if Apple doesn't trust Meta to handle their APIs then I don't trust Apple to use them either.
jsnell 2y ago
If these APIs risk creating privacy problems, why did Apple add them to the platform in the first place? Why is Apple letting their first party apps access these dangerous APIs? If privacy and security really were the number one priority, they should immediately block access to them to their first party apps until they've figured out how to implement them safely. Obviously they're not doing that. Why? Because these APIs give Apple's first party apps a competitive advantage. It lets them leverage their control of iOS into control of more and more markets without having to ever worry about competing on a level playing field. And inversely, the users' buy-in into these markets locks them tighter into the iOS ecosystem. It's a positive feedback cycle of abuse of a dominant market position.
xvector 2y ago
These are just the permissions you need to make AR glasses interop with your phone reasonably seamlessly.
- threeseed 2y ago
  Meta should commit to operating Oculus at arms length in order for them to get permission to access every bit of data on my phone. Because they have a long pattern of using any collected data for advertising e.g. MFA phone numbers.

bburnett44 2y ago

It feels like there should be a user option to allow (default deny) this. Like it doesn’t have to be that the minute you install WhatsApp it gets access to all of your texts or calls. But it sucks to be stuck w iMessage when that’s just locking me into apples ecosystem

threeseed 2y ago
The problem is that we have decades of experience with your approach. And it simply doesn’t work. Users will click any dialog box especially when the app makes features conditional on its approval. The only way this works is what Apple and Google have implemented. Which is to allow access to a single photo or contact but not the entire library. But that’s not what Meta is after. They want everything.

talldayo 2y ago

False dichotomy. I trust neither - if Apple doesn't trust Meta to handle their APIs then I don't trust Apple to use them either.

jsnell 2y ago

If these APIs risk creating privacy problems, why did Apple add them to the platform in the first place? Why is Apple letting their first party apps access these dangerous APIs? If privacy and security really were the number one priority, they should immediately block access to them to their first party apps until they've figured out how to implement them safely. Obviously they're not doing that. Why? Because these APIs give Apple's first party apps a competitive advantage. It lets them leverage their control of iOS into control of more and more markets without having to ever worry about competing on a level playing field. And inversely, the users' buy-in into these markets locks them tighter into the iOS ecosystem. It's a positive feedback cycle of abuse of a dominant market position.

xvector 2y ago

These are just the permissions you need to make AR glasses interop with your phone reasonably seamlessly.

threeseed 2y ago
Meta should commit to operating Oculus at arms length in order for them to get permission to access every bit of data on my phone. Because they have a long pattern of using any collected data for advertising e.g. MFA phone numbers.