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To be able to program all the configurable buttons, and upload the macros and settings to the profiles present on the mouse itself, so you can use all the feat

To be able to program all the configurable buttons, and upload the macros and settings to the profiles present on the mouse itself, so you can use all the features of your mouse, tailored to you, even if you don’t have the software on the target device you’re using your mouse. Yes, Logitech’s high end mice store settings themselves. The app is just a programming interface. It sometimes does per program profile switch, too, IIRC.

lsaferite 2y ago
And yet, my keyboard can do almost (no per-program switching) all of the same FROM A WEB PAGE. WebHID should be all that's needed for advanced input devices. If you want some sort of per-program profile switching, sure, release a dedicated app that handles sending a special HID command sequence to trigger a profile switch.
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- xboxnolifes 2y ago
  And if Logitech had a webpage to configure settings, HN would be up in arms about not being able to configure while offline.
  - Fnoord 2y ago
    Wooting has their utility offline and online. I guess it uses WebHID.
  - lsaferite 2y ago
    If the webpage was required to be connected back to Logitech to function, yeah, deservedly so. If, like Via, it can run fully offline then all you'd need is to save the page for offline use and that would be acceptable.
  - Scion9066 2y ago
    They do have a web page to do pairing at least: https://logiwebconnect.com/ https://logiwebconnect.com/
- bayindirh 2y ago
  WebHID would be sci-fi material in 2010. If you can reduce the power requirement for the hardware, there's no obstacle to embed it in a mouse. Keyboard is infinitely more flexible since you can wire it without much obstruction.
yndoendo 2y ago
All programmable mice store their settings on the device itself, like Roccat and Razer. A true programmable mouse doesn't need software running in the background. A configuration application that needs to continue running is now just a background service running in user mode and not a true configuration application. Roccat user because of the size of the mouse is bigger than others and all the buttons can be reprogrammed, along with the wheel. No background software needed and all configuration changes are OS independent. Not a Logitech user because the wheel could not be programmed to control the sound volume. Last time I tried their products. Even contacted their support to verify the wheel, most useful for controlling audio, is fixed to page scrolling only. Razer mice are too small for my hands and I feel like an Eagle clawing at a minnow. At least they allow for fully reprogramming all the buttons and wheel, unlike Logitech. And you don't need background software for the programming with it being OS independent after programming. Only bad part is that Roccat is no longer Linux supported. The original developer that reverse engineered stop supporting the products. Roccat also is like most business and blows off 1st party support for Linux. Windows VM is needed just to program the mouse, which only done once.
- ajolly 2y ago
  Logitech has an on board memory manager app, it's a single executable portable no install needed that changes the settings directly on your mouse and then terminates.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  > because the wheel could not be programmed to control the sound volume. If that's your biggest gripe with Logitech, then I can say they're pretty successful. Personally, I'd not prefer to reach to my mouse just for volume, but everyone is to their own. > A true programmable mouse doesn't need software running in the background. Logitech Mice doesn't need the application to run in the background. I'm using my G700's profiles (which I set once under Windows) under Linux without any tools for (checks notes) 14 years at this point. > Windows VM is needed just to program the mouse, which only done once. How this is different from Logitech devices? It's exactly the same with Logitech.
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fransje26 2y ago
> To be able to program all the configurable buttons, and upload the macros and settings to the profiles present on the mouse itself, so you can use all the features of your mouse, tailored to you Yep. Definitely sounds like something requiring a 150 Mb program to manage the complexity..
miki123211 2y ago
Some high-end mice and keyboard combos also support features like fast computer switching, clipboard sync etc. Imagine you have both a desktop and a laptop, with your laptop screen positioned below the display connected to the desktop. You can make your Logitech mouse act as if they were one device; if you slide past the top edge of your laptop screen, both the mouse and the keyboard switch over to the desktop. You can even press ctrl+c on one device, move your mouse to the other and press ctrl+v (with the same keyboard of course), and it's going to do the right thing. I think even drag and drop across computers works, at least in some circumstances.
- MoreMoore 2y ago
  That's pretty cool. Now I just wish they'd release a wireless G600 with this capability. Best thing I ever bought was an MMO mouse. It's incredibly useful for a lot of use cases outside of MMOs.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    Just use Synergy, the OG "soft KVM": https://symless.com/synergy https://symless.com/synergy
ho_schi 2y ago
USB-HID cares about that and the rest shall be done by generic APIs through the operating-system. I avoid therefore any peripheral devices which need additional software. Ducky provides DIP-Switches and keyboard shortcuts. Perfect :) And I didn’t bricked it with a firmware update, which I did with the K850. Because Logitech suffered so many security issues.

lsaferite 2y ago

And yet, my keyboard can do almost (no per-program switching) all of the same FROM A WEB PAGE. WebHID should be all that's needed for advanced input devices. If you want some sort of per-program profile switching, sure, release a dedicated app that handles sending a special HID command sequence to trigger a profile switch.

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xboxnolifes 2y ago
And if Logitech had a webpage to configure settings, HN would be up in arms about not being able to configure while offline.
- Fnoord 2y ago
  Wooting has their utility offline and online. I guess it uses WebHID.
- lsaferite 2y ago
  If the webpage was required to be connected back to Logitech to function, yeah, deservedly so. If, like Via, it can run fully offline then all you'd need is to save the page for offline use and that would be acceptable.
- Scion9066 2y ago
  They do have a web page to do pairing at least: https://logiwebconnect.com/ https://logiwebconnect.com/
bayindirh 2y ago
WebHID would be sci-fi material in 2010. If you can reduce the power requirement for the hardware, there's no obstacle to embed it in a mouse. Keyboard is infinitely more flexible since you can wire it without much obstruction.

yndoendo 2y ago

All programmable mice store their settings on the device itself, like Roccat and Razer. A true programmable mouse doesn't need software running in the background. A configuration application that needs to continue running is now just a background service running in user mode and not a true configuration application. Roccat user because of the size of the mouse is bigger than others and all the buttons can be reprogrammed, along with the wheel. No background software needed and all configuration changes are OS independent. Not a Logitech user because the wheel could not be programmed to control the sound volume. Last time I tried their products. Even contacted their support to verify the wheel, most useful for controlling audio, is fixed to page scrolling only. Razer mice are too small for my hands and I feel like an Eagle clawing at a minnow. At least they allow for fully reprogramming all the buttons and wheel, unlike Logitech. And you don't need background software for the programming with it being OS independent after programming. Only bad part is that Roccat is no longer Linux supported. The original developer that reverse engineered stop supporting the products. Roccat also is like most business and blows off 1st party support for Linux. Windows VM is needed just to program the mouse, which only done once.

ajolly 2y ago
Logitech has an on board memory manager app, it's a single executable portable no install needed that changes the settings directly on your mouse and then terminates.
bayindirh 2y ago
> because the wheel could not be programmed to control the sound volume. If that's your biggest gripe with Logitech, then I can say they're pretty successful. Personally, I'd not prefer to reach to my mouse just for volume, but everyone is to their own. > A true programmable mouse doesn't need software running in the background. Logitech Mice doesn't need the application to run in the background. I'm using my G700's profiles (which I set once under Windows) under Linux without any tools for (checks notes) 14 years at this point. > Windows VM is needed just to program the mouse, which only done once. How this is different from Logitech devices? It's exactly the same with Logitech.
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fransje26 2y ago

> To be able to program all the configurable buttons, and upload the macros and settings to the profiles present on the mouse itself, so you can use all the features of your mouse, tailored to you Yep. Definitely sounds like something requiring a 150 Mb program to manage the complexity..

miki123211 2y ago

Some high-end mice and keyboard combos also support features like fast computer switching, clipboard sync etc. Imagine you have both a desktop and a laptop, with your laptop screen positioned below the display connected to the desktop. You can make your Logitech mouse act as if they were one device; if you slide past the top edge of your laptop screen, both the mouse and the keyboard switch over to the desktop. You can even press ctrl+c on one device, move your mouse to the other and press ctrl+v (with the same keyboard of course), and it's going to do the right thing. I think even drag and drop across computers works, at least in some circumstances.

MoreMoore 2y ago
That's pretty cool. Now I just wish they'd release a wireless G600 with this capability. Best thing I ever bought was an MMO mouse. It's incredibly useful for a lot of use cases outside of MMOs.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  Just use Synergy, the OG "soft KVM": https://symless.com/synergy https://symless.com/synergy

ho_schi 2y ago

USB-HID cares about that and the rest shall be done by generic APIs through the operating-system. I avoid therefore any peripheral devices which need additional software. Ducky provides DIP-Switches and keyboard shortcuts. Perfect :) And I didn’t bricked it with a firmware update, which I did with the K850. Because Logitech suffered so many security issues.