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Yes, we pay well. No, we don't pay as much as Meta. How well do you pay? If I were at Meta, my total comp would be 500-600k. I make half that at a small startu
by p1esk 2y ago
Yes, we pay well.
No, we don't pay as much as Meta.
How well do you pay? If I were at Meta, my total comp would be 500-600k. I make half that at a small startup. Can you afford me?
- panzagl 2y agoNo they cannot, unless maybe you have advanced degrees and a couple decades experience.
- optimiz3 2y agoYeah but then you're too old. Need to be in your 20s with a couple decades of experience.
- CapeTheory 2y agoCalling it now - a leetcode-based kindergarten programme is the next big a16z investment.
- yazzku 2y ago"Hit the ground running."
- MichaelZuo 2y agoYou say this ironically, but someone who’s been working hard 15 hours 7 days a week in a niche, 50 weeks a year, from age 15 to age 29 has clearly a much higher potential than a 45 year old following the normal path in life. And almost certainly a higher employable value too unless they have catastrophically bad social skills…
- lovich 2y agoDid they develop those social skills during the free time they had?
- MichaelZuo 2y agoWhy does this matter? They can develop it while lying in bed and daydreaming for all the difference it makes.
- lovich 2y agoThe implication was that someone who dedicated all of their time as physically possible to working and studying, would not have had time to develop social skills
- MichaelZuo 2y agoTalented people can improve in multiple directions at the same time… unless you don’t believe this? Plus any 29 year old who can actually land a genuine 500k-600k USD compensation job at a big company is a literal genius, at the very least.
- lovich 2y agoDo you honestly believe that an individual who >… been working hard 15 hours 7 days a week in a niche, 50 weeks a year, from age 15 to age 29… Developed the same level of social skills as the average individual who lived a more normal schedule? I have to ask before you even answer that. Do you believe that social skills are something to be practiced and built upon, are they some waste of time they only hormones bother with, or some other option I haven’t considered?
- MichaelZuo 2y agoThey can develop, in many aspects, far superior to an average individual given the same amount of time. And develop to a comparable level given a much shorter period of time. That’s pretty much by definition for literal geniuses.
- lovich 2y ago
- chipsrafferty 2y agoLet's say they sleep 6 hours a day, every day. Someone who works for 15 out of 18 of their waking hours, leaving 3 hours to eat, exercise, and have any semblance of social interactions or secondary interests, for FOURTEEN YEARS is not a genius. They are actually an idiot, wasting their life.
- snakeyjake 2y agoHow many years of experience? I fall almost exactly on the low end of this range: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/senior-aerospace-engineer-salary-SRCH_KO0,25.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/senior-aerospace-engineer... With 15 years of experience. I'm at the low end of my peers. Like I said, auctioning off access to your users to advertisers pays better than the European space agency.
- zipy124 2y agoWait the low range of that link is £45k but you say work study placement people get $75k a year?
- bitcurious 2y agoThere might be some regionality built in; viewed from the US the range is $265K - $463K/yr.
- titanomachy 2y agoThat is outrageous that two seemingly developed countries could have such a huge compensation gap. A senior aerospace engineer in the UK can make as little as 45k GBP, or 56k USD? One fifth as much as the lowest-paid American?? The take-home on that is £35k. The median rent in London is £26k. I suppose the person making £45k doesn't likely live in London, but still pretty grim. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2024/10/14/the-american-economy-has-left-other-rich-countries-in-the-dust https://www.economist.com/special-report/2024/10/14/the-amer...
- paleotrope 2y agoYou guys get the NHS though.
- samatman 2y agoYes but those numbers are pre-tax income.
- zifpanachr23 2y agoRealistically, there are plenty of competent people they could hire for any low six figures amount (unless they are directly in the DC area, in which case add 20-30k for cost of living). 500-600k or half of that is a unicorn salary that doesn't apply to those industries or areas and is irrelevant to the discussion. Even if they offered you that salary you wouldn't take it because the work environment would be radically different from working at a bloated web tech firm, or working at a silicon valley startup. Totally different markets. You wouldn't be interested in that job, and they wouldn't want to hire you even if you were interested. Even the tone of your post makes that obvious. We should be discussing early to mid career folks from somewhere other than silicon valley startup or big web tech land. Aka "meat and potatoes" tech jobs. That is what's being discussed. I don't know what their problem is with hiring either and I agree with you that it could be partially compensation related. But not being able to compete with Silicon Valley on compensation is not where I would be going with that argument....I think it's more likely to be related to environment and interview style and notions of what "experience" means. In other words...bad hiring practices...not necessarily raw compensation issues. The compensation for non "big tech" firms can sometimes be quite good in comparison to other career paths especially when located outside of the valley, so being unable to hire talent makes me suspicious of hiring practices more than compensation (assuming they are reasonably large and hit market rate for the area and are in a reasonably large metro). Just my two cents.