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I think vast majority of Americans not going on to higher education is because system is so screwed up due to debt and unlimited student visas. Debt means most

I think vast majority of Americans not going on to higher education is because system is so screwed up due to debt and unlimited student visas. Debt means most Americans go "I need to enter into the job market so I can pay off these debts". Also, alot of foreign students are willing to work/study insane hours because visa hanging over their head. I have a friend who got MS in Engineering but didn't want to continue because he looked at what's required and started talking with his mentor about his PhD. His mentor said it's 996 schedule and if you don't want to, I can likely find a student visa student who will.

cuteboy19 2y ago
foreign students actually subsidize higher education for most universities
BeetleB 2y ago
> I think vast majority of Americans not going on to higher education is because system is so screwed up due to debt and unlimited student visas. For undergrad, I understand the frustration, although student visas have almost nothing to do with it. As an example, when I was in my undergrad (for engineering), there was only one foreign student in my engineering classes. Almost all the foreign students were at the MS/PhD level. The number of foreign students in the undergrad population was easily under 5%, if not under 1%. Probably true in most no-name state schools. > Debt means most Americans go "I need to enter into the job market so I can pay off these debts". An MS is only 2 years, and you should go only if it's fully paid for (quite often the case in engineering). And you typically don't accrue interest on undergrad debts for those 2 years - so it's only delaying paying off debts by 2 years. No - most Americans don't do MS in engineering, simply because they don't want to and don't value it. > Also, alot of foreign students are willing to work/study insane hours because visa hanging over their head. I have a friend who got MS in Engineering but didn't want to continue because he looked at what's required and started talking with his mentor about his PhD. His mentor said it's 996 schedule and if you don't want to, I can likely find a student visa student who will. Entirely dependent on the advisor, although I do suspect your anecdote is becoming more common. Also, likely more common at top tier universities and less so in no name state universities.
elashri 2y ago
> I think vast majority of Americans not going on to higher education is because system is so screwed up due to debt and unlimited student visas. International students percentage is about 6% of total high education population [1]. We can say that their percentage in higher in some fields/degrees. But overall they are not significant reason High Education is not affordable. Actually for undergraduate (majority of international students) they will pay more tuition and many colleges wants to admit more to subsidize domestic students. > Debt means most Americans go "I need to enter into the job market so I can pay off these debts". Study abroad is expensive and you still need to enter the job market to earn your living and probably pay your dept (some will take loans to study in the US). This applies quite well to international students too. [1] https://opendoorsdata.org/annual-release/international-students/#fast-facts https://opendoorsdata.org/annual-release/international-stude...
- sneed_chucker 2y ago
  > International students percentage is about 6% of total high education population It's much much higher in Postgraduate because it's a way to stay in the country without being employed

cuteboy19 2y ago

foreign students actually subsidize higher education for most universities

BeetleB 2y ago

> I think vast majority of Americans not going on to higher education is because system is so screwed up due to debt and unlimited student visas. For undergrad, I understand the frustration, although student visas have almost nothing to do with it. As an example, when I was in my undergrad (for engineering), there was only one foreign student in my engineering classes. Almost all the foreign students were at the MS/PhD level. The number of foreign students in the undergrad population was easily under 5%, if not under 1%. Probably true in most no-name state schools. > Debt means most Americans go "I need to enter into the job market so I can pay off these debts". An MS is only 2 years, and you should go only if it's fully paid for (quite often the case in engineering). And you typically don't accrue interest on undergrad debts for those 2 years - so it's only delaying paying off debts by 2 years. No - most Americans don't do MS in engineering, simply because they don't want to and don't value it. > Also, alot of foreign students are willing to work/study insane hours because visa hanging over their head. I have a friend who got MS in Engineering but didn't want to continue because he looked at what's required and started talking with his mentor about his PhD. His mentor said it's 996 schedule and if you don't want to, I can likely find a student visa student who will. Entirely dependent on the advisor, although I do suspect your anecdote is becoming more common. Also, likely more common at top tier universities and less so in no name state universities.

elashri 2y ago

> I think vast majority of Americans not going on to higher education is because system is so screwed up due to debt and unlimited student visas. International students percentage is about 6% of total high education population [1]. We can say that their percentage in higher in some fields/degrees. But overall they are not significant reason High Education is not affordable. Actually for undergraduate (majority of international students) they will pay more tuition and many colleges wants to admit more to subsidize domestic students. > Debt means most Americans go "I need to enter into the job market so I can pay off these debts". Study abroad is expensive and you still need to enter the job market to earn your living and probably pay your dept (some will take loans to study in the US). This applies quite well to international students too. [1] https://opendoorsdata.org/annual-release/international-students/#fast-facts https://opendoorsdata.org/annual-release/international-stude...

sneed_chucker 2y ago
> International students percentage is about 6% of total high education population It's much much higher in Postgraduate because it's a way to stay in the country without being employed