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I have been on H1B forever now, and my salaries have been more or on par with the role. I tend to agree there is a lot of H1B misuse, especially by large Indian

I have been on H1B forever now, and my salaries have been more or on par with the role. I tend to agree there is a lot of H1B misuse, especially by large Indian consulting firms. This needs to be curtailed. But, there may be 300,000 unemployed tech workers. While I also find it hard to believe none fit the bill, I believe most don't. So many are out of random bootcamps, self proclaimed programmers who can't solve fizzbuzz. I also have not seen any H1B in my career that is good and willing to take a 60% haircut. In my own company, they are the highest paid and are grumpy we are not paying more. They are all really good engineers too. Heck, when I was looking to move to the US, I refused tons of low paying jobs. When we opened up backend programming jobs, only a handful American citizens even applied. We hired one of them, while we needed 4. The rest didn't make it through the interview process. We also rejected tons of H1bs because they didnt make it through the process. Same salary range offered to H1Bs. And we are a fully remote. So I wonder where are these 300,000 unemployed tech workers. Cut the fraud and it automatically becomes a decent program. Now, if one is entirely against the program of attracting foreign talent, thats a different discussion.

zifpanachr23 2y ago
How do you know they are on par for the role if you are part of the program intended (by the detractors) to push down wages for everybody? Seems that there is no way you could possibly determine that given the circumstances besides speculating about supply and demand.
- 0x457 2y ago
  > How do you know they are on par for the role if you are part of the program intended (by the detractors) to push down wages for everybody? Because they know their salary, and what is supposed to be for their role?
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    some people believe that mere presence of the program itself is driving the wages down which is… funny…
    - 0x457 2y ago
      Well, the way program exists now, it's utilized by two kinds of companies: 1) Someone like Verizon that uses it for cheap labor 2) Someone like Netflix that wants to hire good engineers The way the program works now (before those changes?), it's much easier for group 1 to fill its positions via staffing agencies overseas. That's true even if a company from group 2 already know who they want to hire, since it's a lottery system. Would be easier if this were two different visas (or program got revamped in a way that it actually works as it's sold to public), but we can't have "Cheap Human Labor Visa" for various reasons.
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        every problem has a solution except in America where what we THINK is a problem (and discuss ad naseum on HM) is there by design. Group 1’s lobbyist are paying A LOT more than Group 2 - hence they get the most benefit out of the program. it’ll be interesting to see next four years, I suspect the program will at minimum triple
        0x457 2y ago
        Yup, exactly this.

zifpanachr23 2y ago

How do you know they are on par for the role if you are part of the program intended (by the detractors) to push down wages for everybody? Seems that there is no way you could possibly determine that given the circumstances besides speculating about supply and demand.

0x457 2y ago
> How do you know they are on par for the role if you are part of the program intended (by the detractors) to push down wages for everybody? Because they know their salary, and what is supposed to be for their role?
- bdangubic 2y ago
  some people believe that mere presence of the program itself is driving the wages down which is… funny…
  - 0x457 2y ago
    Well, the way program exists now, it's utilized by two kinds of companies: 1) Someone like Verizon that uses it for cheap labor 2) Someone like Netflix that wants to hire good engineers The way the program works now (before those changes?), it's much easier for group 1 to fill its positions via staffing agencies overseas. That's true even if a company from group 2 already know who they want to hire, since it's a lottery system. Would be easier if this were two different visas (or program got revamped in a way that it actually works as it's sold to public), but we can't have "Cheap Human Labor Visa" for various reasons.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      every problem has a solution except in America where what we THINK is a problem (and discuss ad naseum on HM) is there by design. Group 1’s lobbyist are paying A LOT more than Group 2 - hence they get the most benefit out of the program. it’ll be interesting to see next four years, I suspect the program will at minimum triple
      - 0x457 2y ago
        Yup, exactly this.