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This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. The broad trend that electric cars are heavier and need to be desig

This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. The broad trend that electric cars are heavier and need to be designed differently than combustion cars is undeniable.

xethos 2y ago
I'd still say that it's motor vehicles in general that are getting bigger and heavier. The unfair comparison (Mazda CX-9 SUV) has an ICE vehicle weighing in heavier, but even my small-by-modern-standards Mazda 3 Sport is <200kg from the base Tesla Model 3. Lighter, but not dramatically so. Same with the Ford Mustang fastback (~3600lbs), and the ragtop is even chunkier (at ~3700lbs). EVs might have started heavier, but it's modern vehicles that are heavy more than EVs. Sure, you can point to the OEMs that brute-forced their way into the market (the Hummer springs to mind), but the truly preposterous are, fortunately, small in number.
sib 2y ago
>> This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. Huh? Why is it a stupid comparison? It is comparing the Model 3 (very popular EV) against a similarly-positioned ICE vehicle. I showed three trims of the Model 3 in order to avoid people saying, "yeah, but you didn't post the weights of all the different versions..." GP said simply "Electric vehicles are very heavy" - that means all EVs. Not some EVs. So showing a comparable pair of EV & ICE vehicles to disprove it is a completely reasonable comparison.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  Because the M3 might be totally unrepresentative of ICE vehicles. It is silly to try to demonstrate a general trend with two examples. It is also particularly disingenuous (although irrelevant) that you ignored the different 3er Variants.
  - sib 2y ago
    I'm not trying to "demonstrate a general trend." I'm providing evidence to disprove a blanket statement. And from a logic point of view, showing a single counterexample disproves it. Separately, the Model 3 Performance is most comparable to the M3. And they are virtually the same weight (as the data that I presented showed). So, not a disingenuous comparison. But thanks for the accusation :)

xethos 2y ago

I'd still say that it's motor vehicles in general that are getting bigger and heavier. The unfair comparison (Mazda CX-9 SUV) has an ICE vehicle weighing in heavier, but even my small-by-modern-standards Mazda 3 Sport is <200kg from the base Tesla Model 3. Lighter, but not dramatically so. Same with the Ford Mustang fastback (~3600lbs), and the ragtop is even chunkier (at ~3700lbs). EVs might have started heavier, but it's modern vehicles that are heavy more than EVs. Sure, you can point to the OEMs that brute-forced their way into the market (the Hummer springs to mind), but the truly preposterous are, fortunately, small in number.

sib 2y ago

>> This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. Huh? Why is it a stupid comparison? It is comparing the Model 3 (very popular EV) against a similarly-positioned ICE vehicle. I showed three trims of the Model 3 in order to avoid people saying, "yeah, but you didn't post the weights of all the different versions..." GP said simply "Electric vehicles are very heavy" - that means all EVs. Not some EVs. So showing a comparable pair of EV & ICE vehicles to disprove it is a completely reasonable comparison.

constantcrying 2y ago
Because the M3 might be totally unrepresentative of ICE vehicles. It is silly to try to demonstrate a general trend with two examples. It is also particularly disingenuous (although irrelevant) that you ignored the different 3er Variants.
- sib 2y ago
  I'm not trying to "demonstrate a general trend." I'm providing evidence to disprove a blanket statement. And from a logic point of view, showing a single counterexample disproves it. Separately, the Model 3 Performance is most comparable to the M3. And they are virtually the same weight (as the data that I presented showed). So, not a disingenuous comparison. But thanks for the accusation :)