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Has it actually come out why "imminent threat to product" for over a year didn't result in a shut down? I know this is a popular topic to blame Trump on for so

Has it actually come out why "imminent threat to product" for over a year didn't result in a shut down? I know this is a popular topic to blame Trump on for some reason (happening 2 years into the next admin), but surely the fda still has the ability to shut down locations some times. My gut is it just got lost in the bureaucracy of the agency, but I'd love to see an actual explanation.

boringg 2y ago
Get DOGE to examine the failures.
- digdugdirk 2y ago
  Examining failures isn't very efficient. Probably best to just carry on as is, nothing we can do.
- groby_b 2y ago
  As if DOGE had any competency at that. Most of their proposals are deeply flawed because they didn't bother to dig into details - not the behavior you want when examining failures.
bee_rider 2y ago
I have no idea, it seems quite weird that they weren’t made to shut down. What’s Trump have to do with? I don’t like him or his policies, but I don’t think we need to trace all bad decisions back to him or anything like that.
- lukan 2y ago
  "What’s Trump have to do with?" I suppose because he cut spending on government work in general, that is not police and army related? (But I lack insights into whether he cut any budgets related to this)
  - readthenotes1 2y ago
    They had enough money to make Costco recall butter not labeled as a diary product. I'm not sure this explanation holds water
- vel0city 2y ago
  Trump's administration loosened inspections to allow more self-reporting in places like meat packing plants.
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    I mean, I’m worried about the general loosening of regulations. But this situation sounds like it was discovered in 2022 and then the outbreak happened in 2024. Edit: just to be explicit, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear that cost-cutting or whatever resulted in fewer inspections, which resulted in less discovery of issues. But since the issue actually was discovered… I dunno, it seems more like a decision making problem, if a health issue is known about for two years without any action taken. Maybe there’s some other way to blame budget cuts there… I don’t see it though.
    - vlovich123 2y ago
      That's assuming the Biden team had it on their radar as something to undo. They kept a lot of Trump-era policies unchanged. Changes done in one administration don't end just because the other party is in power. It's a cumulative effect.
      - bee_rider 2y ago
        Is the decision to close one factory (or impose penalties until they clean up) on any elected official’s radar? I’d expect that to be handled at a lower level, but I don’t know how that stuff really works.
        vlovich123 2y ago
        It's not about the one factory and it not being on elected official's radars is exactly the problem of why it didn't get fixed (+ it's easier to cause damage than repair things). As another person highlighted, Trump gutted the USDA [1] > During the Trump administration, U.S. Department of Agriculture researchers published and funded objective analyses of issues such as climate change, the efficiency of food assistance programs, and tax cuts that mostly benefit the richest farmers. It wasn't received well. > Trump officials proposed deep cuts to USDA research agencies. When Congress wouldn't go along, the administration came up with plan B: Move two agencies — the National Institute of Food and Agriculture and the Economic Research Service — far away from Washington. Doing this gutted the ability for the USDA to execute and stay on mission and this was intentional. This kind of outbreak would be the natural result. [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/02/02/963207129/usda-research-agencies-decimated-by-forced-move-undoing-the-damage-wont-be-easy https://www.npr.org/2021/02/02/963207129/usda-research-agenc...

boringg 2y ago

Get DOGE to examine the failures.

digdugdirk 2y ago
Examining failures isn't very efficient. Probably best to just carry on as is, nothing we can do.
groby_b 2y ago
As if DOGE had any competency at that. Most of their proposals are deeply flawed because they didn't bother to dig into details - not the behavior you want when examining failures.

bee_rider 2y ago

I have no idea, it seems quite weird that they weren’t made to shut down. What’s Trump have to do with? I don’t like him or his policies, but I don’t think we need to trace all bad decisions back to him or anything like that.

lukan 2y ago
"What’s Trump have to do with?" I suppose because he cut spending on government work in general, that is not police and army related? (But I lack insights into whether he cut any budgets related to this)
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  They had enough money to make Costco recall butter not labeled as a diary product. I'm not sure this explanation holds water
vel0city 2y ago
Trump's administration loosened inspections to allow more self-reporting in places like meat packing plants.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  I mean, I’m worried about the general loosening of regulations. But this situation sounds like it was discovered in 2022 and then the outbreak happened in 2024. Edit: just to be explicit, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear that cost-cutting or whatever resulted in fewer inspections, which resulted in less discovery of issues. But since the issue actually was discovered… I dunno, it seems more like a decision making problem, if a health issue is known about for two years without any action taken. Maybe there’s some other way to blame budget cuts there… I don’t see it though.
  - vlovich123 2y ago
    That's assuming the Biden team had it on their radar as something to undo. They kept a lot of Trump-era policies unchanged. Changes done in one administration don't end just because the other party is in power. It's a cumulative effect.
    - bee_rider 2y ago
      Is the decision to close one factory (or impose penalties until they clean up) on any elected official’s radar? I’d expect that to be handled at a lower level, but I don’t know how that stuff really works.
      - vlovich123 2y ago
        It's not about the one factory and it not being on elected official's radars is exactly the problem of why it didn't get fixed (+ it's easier to cause damage than repair things). As another person highlighted, Trump gutted the USDA [1] > During the Trump administration, U.S. Department of Agriculture researchers published and funded objective analyses of issues such as climate change, the efficiency of food assistance programs, and tax cuts that mostly benefit the richest farmers. It wasn't received well. > Trump officials proposed deep cuts to USDA research agencies. When Congress wouldn't go along, the administration came up with plan B: Move two agencies — the National Institute of Food and Agriculture and the Economic Research Service — far away from Washington. Doing this gutted the ability for the USDA to execute and stay on mission and this was intentional. This kind of outbreak would be the natural result. [1] https://www.npr.org/2021/02/02/963207129/usda-research-agencies-decimated-by-forced-move-undoing-the-damage-wont-be-easy https://www.npr.org/2021/02/02/963207129/usda-research-agenc...