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It's more efficient to treat food safety standards as a criminal matter rather than a civil matter. If it's frequently treated as a civil matter, it results in

by wyager 2y ago

It's more efficient to treat food safety standards as a criminal matter rather than a civil matter. If it's frequently treated as a civil matter, it results in endless (and endlessly costly) civil suits. The standards for successfully pursuing a civil judgement have to be extremely high in situations like this to discourage destructive ambulance-chasing.

throwaway48476 2y ago
No. Treating everything like a criminal matter gets you Italy. It didn't actually fix anything because the process is reactive not proactive.
- n4r9 2y ago
  The EU mandates testing of food products, monitoring of farms and processing facilities, and enforces strict trade controls on potentially contaminated products. This works just fine and drastically reduces disease due to pathogens such as Salmonella relative to the US.
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    A lot of the EU relies on basically slave labor for agriculture so I'm not inclined to believe that everything is universally enforced, especially on the periferry.
    - n4r9 2y ago
      We can look at the number of infections per year to quantify the effectiveness of the regulations. In the US there are approx 1.35 million per year [0], i.e. 1 in 255 people, with around 450 deaths. In the EU there are approx 70k reported cases [1] i.e. 1 in 6500, with around 90 deaths. Moreover the number of cases drastically dropped in the EU since regulations came into force earlier this century. The data here is very clear that regulations save lives. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html [1] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html
      - n4r9 2y ago
        Second link should have been: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/SALM_AER_2022_Report.pdf https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/SAL...
- wyager 2y ago
  Italian food is good. I'm not saying to do this for every single industry, just for food
frgtpsswrdlame 2y ago
10 people died from the Boars Head contaminated meat. I guess I don't really mind if a few lawyers chase those ambulances and extract a lot of money out of that company?
- wyager 2y ago
  A) It's not going to stop at the most egregious cases B) I hope you like meat imported from China

by wyager 2y ago

throwaway48476 2y ago

No. Treating everything like a criminal matter gets you Italy. It didn't actually fix anything because the process is reactive not proactive.

n4r9 2y ago
The EU mandates testing of food products, monitoring of farms and processing facilities, and enforces strict trade controls on potentially contaminated products. This works just fine and drastically reduces disease due to pathogens such as Salmonella relative to the US.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  A lot of the EU relies on basically slave labor for agriculture so I'm not inclined to believe that everything is universally enforced, especially on the periferry.
  - n4r9 2y ago
    We can look at the number of infections per year to quantify the effectiveness of the regulations. In the US there are approx 1.35 million per year [0], i.e. 1 in 255 people, with around 450 deaths. In the EU there are approx 70k reported cases [1] i.e. 1 in 6500, with around 90 deaths. Moreover the number of cases drastically dropped in the EU since regulations came into force earlier this century. The data here is very clear that regulations save lives. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html [1] https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/index.html
    - n4r9 2y ago
      Second link should have been: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/SALM_AER_2022_Report.pdf https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/SAL...
wyager 2y ago
Italian food is good. I'm not saying to do this for every single industry, just for food

frgtpsswrdlame 2y ago

10 people died from the Boars Head contaminated meat. I guess I don't really mind if a few lawyers chase those ambulances and extract a lot of money out of that company?

wyager 2y ago
A) It's not going to stop at the most egregious cases B) I hope you like meat imported from China