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Expect this to be rolled back fully on January 20

KerrAvon 2y ago
Unclear. They're not going to be consistent or competent, and the intent of everything they do will be to either part out the government to their friends, weaponize the US government against perceived enemies. And they might reward people who kiss the ring by granting exceptions. Really, given the premise, anyone sane should kill H-1B entirely for tech: "The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States" There is no shortage of qualified US software engineers. CS schools are full. The very concept is ridiculous. Kill this law, liberalize immigration instead.
- KerrAvon 2y ago
  Also, there are going to be endless, endless lawsuits on everything, because everything they do is going to violate either the Constitution or existing US law. I'm not sure how much that will slow them down.
- n144q 2y ago
  > CS schools are full I guess you never paid any attention to the nationality of students enrolled in CS classes.
  - DragonStrength 2y ago
    The undergrads at my university were mostly US-born. I believe that's the case most places, even elite universities. The more expensive universities are incentivized to take more international students for the money though -- and obviously there's enough wealthy people globally to fill whatever slots they offer. There are plenty of good engineers from the US who simply weren't lucky enough to be born to rich parents in CA. It turns out moving 2000 miles from home for a worse quality of life isn't super attractive to people born in the US when your whole family still lives in the same region. Of course, if you're born in India or China, the value proposition is a bit different. Perhaps geographic restrictions on H-1Bs would spread the wealth: force these companies to prove they can't find engineers in the US by looking outside the wealthiest enclaves in the country, where even FAANG engineers complain about cost of living. We'd ease the Bay Area housing crisis, lift up other regions of the country, and provide more domestic-born citizens a path to good jobs while maintaining their own communities.
- commandlinefan 2y ago
  ... not that it was _ever_ used that way, since its inception.
parineum 2y ago
Why?
- KerrAvon 2y ago
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  - ziddoap 2y ago
    Silly name calling isn't how grownups should discuss politics. If anything, it makes it harder to agree with any point you're trying to make. Edit: I had no idea it was controversial to say that name calling makes an argument less convincing.
    - morkalork 2y ago
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      - ziddoap 2y ago
        Can you explain this image and how it relates to my comment like I'm 5?
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    - codezero 2y ago
      Trump can’t speak about anyone he opposes without giving them a childish nickname, seems fair to reciprocate. Going further, it appears that the leader of the nation modeling this behavior also normalizes it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Dona...
      - ziddoap 2y ago
        While it might be fair, I'm saying that using childish nicknames does no favors if you're trying to make people agree with what your saying. I don't think following Trump's footsteps with tit-for-tat name calling is beneficial to anyone.
halyconWays 2y ago
He ran on a platform of easier legal immigration.
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  I think you are excessively credulous and that’s the most polite I can be. I’m a natural born citizen that’s the wrong skin color and I’m planning on carrying my passport everywhere come Jan 21 - I’m not going to chance being thrown into the back of a BORTAC van.
  - M3L0NM4N 2y ago
    I think a natural born citizen carrying their passport everywhere starting Jan 21 is even more credulous in the other direction.
    - laidoffamazon 2y ago
      I don’t think you’ve thought through the downside risk. A coworker - himself of my ethnicity - assumed I was foreign born, I’m not going to leave it to chance when the promised deportation dragnet starts up.
      - alephnerd 2y ago
        I'd recommend carrying a passport card instead of the actual passport. A REAL ID would be helpful as well. I don't think the chances of something that drastic are high, but it doesn't hurt to err on the side of caution.
        laidoffamazon 2y ago
        Problem with the passport card is it requires me to send my existing passport for several weeks. In the event of a government shutdown I'd be SOL. REAL ID is plausible but I don't really trust it, given that illegal immigrants can get identity cards in my state.
ajsidncjcnbd 2y ago
Trump has said he’d like to “staple green cards to diplomas”. Despite what the media portrays, he’s not pro American, pro white, pro nazi, whatever. He’s owned by a different slice of the parasitic ruling class that, while opposed to some of the goals the Biden admin was for, still share a common theme of not caring about the average American at all. He has probably the most pro Israel cabinet we’ve ever seen and appears to be cozying up with big tech (thiel, musk, zuckerberg, etc). If he was truly pro American H1-B would be thrown out and we’d require these companies that are wildly profitable to invest in educating American workers. H1-B is used to exploit both foreign and domestic labor to the benefit of a tiny population of capital holders.
- creer 2y ago
  Wouldn't attaching green cards - or at least temporary work permits - to US university degrees be a positive change compared to employment agencies / contractor firms trying to sneak in piles of people without such degrees and screening? That would be a good response to the issue of training (ideally) highly qualified smart people and then kicking them out.
  - laidoffamazon 2y ago
    Except he was president for four years and did the opposite - remarkable that people want to forget 2017-2021
    - creer 2y ago
      There is that. And the idea of trying to retain new grads would already have worked 30 years ago and yet here we are.
- cma 2y ago
  Didn't Trump try to prevent even greencard holders from returning if they were from overseas from the wrong religious area of the world, after promising a Muslim ban? And was then only stopped by courts? Or am I misremembering that?
root_axis 2y ago
Unlikely. Elon heavily favors more H1-Bs. If they roll it back, they'll introduce their own version that is even more favorable to those that gain by suppressing tech worker salaries.

Unclear. They're not going to be consistent or competent, and the intent of everything they do will be to either part out the government to their friends, weaponize the US government against perceived enemies. And they might reward people who kiss the ring by granting exceptions. Really, given the premise, anyone sane should kill H-1B entirely for tech: "The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States" There is no shortage of qualified US software engineers. CS schools are full. The very concept is ridiculous. Kill this law, liberalize immigration instead.

KerrAvon 2y ago
Also, there are going to be endless, endless lawsuits on everything, because everything they do is going to violate either the Constitution or existing US law. I'm not sure how much that will slow them down.
n144q 2y ago
> CS schools are full I guess you never paid any attention to the nationality of students enrolled in CS classes.
- DragonStrength 2y ago
  The undergrads at my university were mostly US-born. I believe that's the case most places, even elite universities. The more expensive universities are incentivized to take more international students for the money though -- and obviously there's enough wealthy people globally to fill whatever slots they offer. There are plenty of good engineers from the US who simply weren't lucky enough to be born to rich parents in CA. It turns out moving 2000 miles from home for a worse quality of life isn't super attractive to people born in the US when your whole family still lives in the same region. Of course, if you're born in India or China, the value proposition is a bit different. Perhaps geographic restrictions on H-1Bs would spread the wealth: force these companies to prove they can't find engineers in the US by looking outside the wealthiest enclaves in the country, where even FAANG engineers complain about cost of living. We'd ease the Bay Area housing crisis, lift up other regions of the country, and provide more domestic-born citizens a path to good jobs while maintaining their own communities.
commandlinefan 2y ago
... not that it was _ever_ used that way, since its inception.

parineum 2y ago

Why?

KerrAvon 2y ago
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- ziddoap 2y ago
  Silly name calling isn't how grownups should discuss politics. If anything, it makes it harder to agree with any point you're trying to make. Edit: I had no idea it was controversial to say that name calling makes an argument less convincing.
  - morkalork 2y ago
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    - ziddoap 2y ago
      Can you explain this image and how it relates to my comment like I'm 5?
      - deleted 2y ago
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  - codezero 2y ago
    Trump can’t speak about anyone he opposes without giving them a childish nickname, seems fair to reciprocate. Going further, it appears that the leader of the nation modeling this behavior also normalizes it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Dona...
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      While it might be fair, I'm saying that using childish nicknames does no favors if you're trying to make people agree with what your saying. I don't think following Trump's footsteps with tit-for-tat name calling is beneficial to anyone.

halyconWays 2y ago

He ran on a platform of easier legal immigration.

laidoffamazon 2y ago
I think you are excessively credulous and that’s the most polite I can be. I’m a natural born citizen that’s the wrong skin color and I’m planning on carrying my passport everywhere come Jan 21 - I’m not going to chance being thrown into the back of a BORTAC van.
- M3L0NM4N 2y ago
  I think a natural born citizen carrying their passport everywhere starting Jan 21 is even more credulous in the other direction.
  - laidoffamazon 2y ago
    I don’t think you’ve thought through the downside risk. A coworker - himself of my ethnicity - assumed I was foreign born, I’m not going to leave it to chance when the promised deportation dragnet starts up.
    - alephnerd 2y ago
      I'd recommend carrying a passport card instead of the actual passport. A REAL ID would be helpful as well. I don't think the chances of something that drastic are high, but it doesn't hurt to err on the side of caution.
      - laidoffamazon 2y ago
        Problem with the passport card is it requires me to send my existing passport for several weeks. In the event of a government shutdown I'd be SOL. REAL ID is plausible but I don't really trust it, given that illegal immigrants can get identity cards in my state.

ajsidncjcnbd 2y ago

Trump has said he’d like to “staple green cards to diplomas”. Despite what the media portrays, he’s not pro American, pro white, pro nazi, whatever. He’s owned by a different slice of the parasitic ruling class that, while opposed to some of the goals the Biden admin was for, still share a common theme of not caring about the average American at all. He has probably the most pro Israel cabinet we’ve ever seen and appears to be cozying up with big tech (thiel, musk, zuckerberg, etc). If he was truly pro American H1-B would be thrown out and we’d require these companies that are wildly profitable to invest in educating American workers. H1-B is used to exploit both foreign and domestic labor to the benefit of a tiny population of capital holders.

creer 2y ago
Wouldn't attaching green cards - or at least temporary work permits - to US university degrees be a positive change compared to employment agencies / contractor firms trying to sneak in piles of people without such degrees and screening? That would be a good response to the issue of training (ideally) highly qualified smart people and then kicking them out.
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  Except he was president for four years and did the opposite - remarkable that people want to forget 2017-2021
  - creer 2y ago
    There is that. And the idea of trying to retain new grads would already have worked 30 years ago and yet here we are.
cma 2y ago
Didn't Trump try to prevent even greencard holders from returning if they were from overseas from the wrong religious area of the world, after promising a Muslim ban? And was then only stopped by courts? Or am I misremembering that?

root_axis 2y ago

Unlikely. Elon heavily favors more H1-Bs. If they roll it back, they'll introduce their own version that is even more favorable to those that gain by suppressing tech worker salaries.