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Lucid and Volvo both care very much about safety. Safety is core to both their brands, and part of what they’ve built them on.

• zie 2y ago
  Volvo in the past absolutely cared, future Volvo it's still unknown(they have a new owner and their position is unknown last I checked).
  • InsideOutSanta 2y ago
    Volvo is majority-owned by Geely, a car brand that is definitely not known for safety.
    • zie 2y ago
      I meant Volvo’s position under the new ownership. It’s possible Geely enforces Volvo to care as much as they care. It’s also possible they let Volvo be Volvo around safety and have some other way to juice the returns and make them a bunch of money from the purchase. Time will tell.
• InsideOutSanta 2y ago
  I think Volvo is a good example for why most companies don't care about safety any more than the law and basic PR requires: the market does not reward companies that try to use safety as a selling point. Volvo is the only major car company that consistently manufactures cars that widely exceed legal safety requirements, but have a global market share of less than half a percent. That's probably about the number of people who take safety into consideration as a major factor when making purchasing decisions.
  • me_me_me 2y ago
    Thats a bit weird take given that safety standards are increasing year on year. Crash tests from 2000 are way stricter today. So they all force the manufactures to fight for 5 stars
    • InsideOutSanta 2y ago
      I'm not sure how what you said disagrees with what I said?
  • constantcrying 2y ago
    >the market does not reward companies that try to use safety as a selling point. But it absolutely does punish companies whose products are shown to be dangerous. >Volvo is the only major car company that consistently manufactures cars that widely exceed legal safety requirements Exceeding safety standards can easily be a negative. Their cars will be more expensive than similar ones. Also, do the Chinese care at all? Or are you just talking about the past?
    • InsideOutSanta 2y ago
      "Exceeding safety standards can easily be a negative. Their cars will be more expensive than similar ones." That's exactly my point.
• constantcrying 2y ago
  Volvo is a (mostly) made in China brand of a large Chinese automotive company. If in the past safety conscious swedish engineers cared about it, they surely have very little say right now. Lucid has a sample size too small to evaluate. What matters for safety is precisely one thing. Does the company culture, meaning the engineers on the ground, view it as a goal by itself or a list of checkboxes you need to tick.
  • borski 2y ago
    I agree, except that Lucid’s small sample size has achieved the only complete 5-star rating on every test on their one vehicle; this can’t happen unless, as you say, the engineers on the ground view it as a goal by itself. The only other company that has done this, to my knowledge, is Volvo.
    • constantcrying 2y ago
      >this can’t happen unless, as you say, the engineers on the ground view it as a goal by itself. Obviously it can. Cars are engineered to satisfy specific test, which are well known in advance. You can always engineer cars to satisfy them. Crash tests aren't everything though and I mention sample size because issues might only reveal themselves after a prolonged period in a few cars. E.g. a defect on a very important component, which only occurs after some years in a few circumstances is an obvious safety issue which Lucids could not have proven themselves against. I say this not as particular slight against Lucid, but because safety is more than satisfying tests. Often safety is where you are doing things which aren't tested at all. >The only other company that has done this, to my knowledge, is Volvo. Looking at the Euro NCAP is the VW ID.7 Tourer is also getting pretty decent marks.
  • sangnoir 2y ago
    > If in the past safety conscious swedish engineers cared about it, they surely have very little say right now Subsidiaries can have a different culture from their parent organizations. Volvo still has engineers and designers in Sweden, and Tata owns Land Rover and Jaguar, which seem to be doing okay safety wise and don't appear to be obviously cutting corners like the Vinfast project. I have seen no evidence of a decline in Volvo's safety record, the "but surely Geely doesn't care." argument is a reverse appeal-to-authority, in the absence of evidence. It is entirely possible that Geely (and Tata) may have poor safety cultures, but their foreign subsidiaries do a much better job.