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Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension. And any rate, if a particular EV model was what's affected, why not

Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension. And any rate, if a particular EV model was what's affected, why not specify that?

bloggie 2y ago
I'm not sure about that, my electric vehicle weighs about a ton less than a Mustang.
- qup 2y ago
  Is it a skateboard? Mustangs aren't even 2 tons. An ~1800-lb limit, to be a ton less than a mustang, doesn't give you much room to make a full-size vehicle. A prius is over 3,000 lbs.
  - mikestew 2y ago
    Even if it is a skateboard, it is still heavier than a non-electric skateboard. As GP said, electric vehicles are very heavy. My electric bike weighs considerably more than non-electric bikes, our electric scooters weigh more than kick scooters, and parent is being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
    - hombre_fatal 2y ago
      Quibble: Electric vehicle weight is compared to the ICE alternatives. You’re comparing electric vehicles to things without motors at all
- neogodless 2y ago
  https://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/mustang-curb-weights https://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/mustang-curb-weights 2024 Mustang curb weight is 3588 - 3949 lbs. So you're suggesting you drive an EV that weighs approximately 1588 - 1949 lbs. Which EV is that? https://www.topspeed.com/lightest-electric-cars/ https://www.topspeed.com/lightest-electric-cars/ At least in the U.S., the lightest EV starts at 2952 lbs (Fiat 500e). https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/at-1627-pounds-the-vazirani-ekonk-is-the-lightest-ev-cver/ https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/at-1627-pounds-the-va... There is at least one EV that is light enough, though I suspect it is not your daily driver.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Not OP, but also not US. The Dacia Spring is available around here (Berlin), and while it's a bit more than that mass, it's close enough to be "about" a ton lighter.
    - neogodless 2y ago
      Looks like 2300 lbs but if you're comparing base trims that's 1200 lbs lighter than the base Mustang. A bit of a stretch for "about". And also a nonsensical comparison. Different purposes, different class of vehicle, different regulatory / safety requirements.
- brookst 2y ago
  Then your electric car is exceptional. A mustang weighs about 3,600 pounds. Which is heavy to be sure. But lighter than almost all electric cars. Certainly not a ton heavier. Tesla model 3: 3900 pounds Tesla model S: 4700 pounds Chevy bolt: 3600 pounds Nissan Leaf: 3900 pounds Volkswagen ID4: 4600 pounds EVs are heavy. I’d be interested in your 2600 pound EV.
  - qup 2y ago
    2024 Toyota Camry - 3595lbs So is the mustang heavy? Compared to what?
    - brookst 2y ago
      Mustang is a big heavy GT style car. It has heavy engines, a wide body, big tires, etc. A 2-door mini cooper is 2600 pounds. A Nissan Versa is about the same. For larger cars, the Elantra and Civic are both less than 3000 pounds.
  - nhecker 2y ago
    A Mitsubishi I-MiEV at 2268 LB (3329 LB GVWR - 661 LB vehicle capacity weight) isn't a ton lighter than a Ford Mustang, but it's on the lighter side for an EV. Source: my I-MiEV owner's manual
sib 2y ago
>> Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension Not necessarily - as an example: Tesla Model 3 Standard: 3,862 lbs (1755 kg) Tesla Model 3 Long Range: 4,034 lbs (1834 kg) Tesla Model 3 Performance: 4,054 lbs (1843 kg) BMW M3: 3,990 lbs (1814 kg) These are effectively the same weight for comparably-positioned sports sedans.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. The broad trend that electric cars are heavier and need to be designed differently than combustion cars is undeniable.
  - xethos 2y ago
    I'd still say that it's motor vehicles in general that are getting bigger and heavier. The unfair comparison (Mazda CX-9 SUV) has an ICE vehicle weighing in heavier, but even my small-by-modern-standards Mazda 3 Sport is <200kg from the base Tesla Model 3. Lighter, but not dramatically so. Same with the Ford Mustang fastback (~3600lbs), and the ragtop is even chunkier (at ~3700lbs). EVs might have started heavier, but it's modern vehicles that are heavy more than EVs. Sure, you can point to the OEMs that brute-forced their way into the market (the Hummer springs to mind), but the truly preposterous are, fortunately, small in number.
  - sib 2y ago
    >> This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. Huh? Why is it a stupid comparison? It is comparing the Model 3 (very popular EV) against a similarly-positioned ICE vehicle. I showed three trims of the Model 3 in order to avoid people saying, "yeah, but you didn't post the weights of all the different versions..." GP said simply "Electric vehicles are very heavy" - that means all EVs. Not some EVs. So showing a comparable pair of EV & ICE vehicles to disprove it is a completely reasonable comparison.
    - constantcrying 2y ago

Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension. And any rate, if a particular EV model was what's affected, why not specify that?

bloggie 2y ago

I'm not sure about that, my electric vehicle weighs about a ton less than a Mustang.

qup 2y ago
Is it a skateboard? Mustangs aren't even 2 tons. An ~1800-lb limit, to be a ton less than a mustang, doesn't give you much room to make a full-size vehicle. A prius is over 3,000 lbs.
- mikestew 2y ago
  Even if it is a skateboard, it is still heavier than a non-electric skateboard. As GP said, electric vehicles are very heavy. My electric bike weighs considerably more than non-electric bikes, our electric scooters weigh more than kick scooters, and parent is being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
  - hombre_fatal 2y ago
    Quibble: Electric vehicle weight is compared to the ICE alternatives. You’re comparing electric vehicles to things without motors at all
neogodless 2y ago
https://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/mustang-curb-weights https://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/mustang-curb-weights 2024 Mustang curb weight is 3588 - 3949 lbs. So you're suggesting you drive an EV that weighs approximately 1588 - 1949 lbs. Which EV is that? https://www.topspeed.com/lightest-electric-cars/ https://www.topspeed.com/lightest-electric-cars/ At least in the U.S., the lightest EV starts at 2952 lbs (Fiat 500e). https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/at-1627-pounds-the-vazirani-ekonk-is-the-lightest-ev-cver/ https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/at-1627-pounds-the-va... There is at least one EV that is light enough, though I suspect it is not your daily driver.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Not OP, but also not US. The Dacia Spring is available around here (Berlin), and while it's a bit more than that mass, it's close enough to be "about" a ton lighter.
  - neogodless 2y ago
    Looks like 2300 lbs but if you're comparing base trims that's 1200 lbs lighter than the base Mustang. A bit of a stretch for "about". And also a nonsensical comparison. Different purposes, different class of vehicle, different regulatory / safety requirements.
brookst 2y ago
Then your electric car is exceptional. A mustang weighs about 3,600 pounds. Which is heavy to be sure. But lighter than almost all electric cars. Certainly not a ton heavier. Tesla model 3: 3900 pounds Tesla model S: 4700 pounds Chevy bolt: 3600 pounds Nissan Leaf: 3900 pounds Volkswagen ID4: 4600 pounds EVs are heavy. I’d be interested in your 2600 pound EV.
- qup 2y ago
  2024 Toyota Camry - 3595lbs So is the mustang heavy? Compared to what?
  - brookst 2y ago
    Mustang is a big heavy GT style car. It has heavy engines, a wide body, big tires, etc. A 2-door mini cooper is 2600 pounds. A Nissan Versa is about the same. For larger cars, the Elantra and Civic are both less than 3000 pounds.
- nhecker 2y ago
  A Mitsubishi I-MiEV at 2268 LB (3329 LB GVWR - 661 LB vehicle capacity weight) isn't a ton lighter than a Ford Mustang, but it's on the lighter side for an EV. Source: my I-MiEV owner's manual

sib 2y ago

>> Electric vehicles are very heavy, which means a lot of mechanical stress for the suspension Not necessarily - as an example: Tesla Model 3 Standard: 3,862 lbs (1755 kg) Tesla Model 3 Long Range: 4,034 lbs (1834 kg) Tesla Model 3 Performance: 4,054 lbs (1843 kg) BMW M3: 3,990 lbs (1814 kg) These are effectively the same weight for comparably-positioned sports sedans.

constantcrying 2y ago
This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. The broad trend that electric cars are heavier and need to be designed differently than combustion cars is undeniable.
- xethos 2y ago
  I'd still say that it's motor vehicles in general that are getting bigger and heavier. The unfair comparison (Mazda CX-9 SUV) has an ICE vehicle weighing in heavier, but even my small-by-modern-standards Mazda 3 Sport is <200kg from the base Tesla Model 3. Lighter, but not dramatically so. Same with the Ford Mustang fastback (~3600lbs), and the ragtop is even chunkier (at ~3700lbs). EVs might have started heavier, but it's modern vehicles that are heavy more than EVs. Sure, you can point to the OEMs that brute-forced their way into the market (the Hummer springs to mind), but the truly preposterous are, fortunately, small in number.
- sib 2y ago
  >> This comparison is stupid. It is just 3 versions of one car and one version of another car. Huh? Why is it a stupid comparison? It is comparing the Model 3 (very popular EV) against a similarly-positioned ICE vehicle. I showed three trims of the Model 3 in order to avoid people saying, "yeah, but you didn't post the weights of all the different versions..." GP said simply "Electric vehicles are very heavy" - that means all EVs. Not some EVs. So showing a comparable pair of EV & ICE vehicles to disprove it is a completely reasonable comparison.
  - constantcrying 2y ago