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The key takeaway is that Tata Group doesn't care about safety at all.
by buckle8017 2y ago
The key takeaway is that Tata Group doesn't care about safety at all.
- lnsru 2y agoWho cares actually? Nobody. See initial Tesla problem with wheels falling off: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-agency-opens-probe-into-120000-tesla-model-y-vehicles-2023-03-08/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-age... Launch fast, ignore obvious things. I see it daily: „just ship products, we finish them when they come for repairs“. Scary new world, nobody is really responsible for this. The workers do not stay long. As well as managers.
- dontlaugh 2y agoTesla and Tata are both famously worse than the rest of the industry, though.
- egeozcan 2y agoI recall a discussion here about the decline in software quality, from many years ago. Someone argued that if we designed hardware the way we design software, we'd be too afraid to go outside. At the time, I thought it was just hyperbole... It's still clearly an exaggeration, but one could argue that reality is gradually moving in that direction.
- stonemetal12 2y ago>gradually moving in that direction Lead paint on children's toys and asbestos in the walls suggest there has never been a culture of making sure it is safe before putting it in production even in the physical world.
- ben_w 2y agoLead pipes, yes. But asbestos in the walls is great for the safety of those living there — the place doesn't burn down so easily. It's the safety of anyone who inhales the dust when the place gets broken down that's endangered by asbestos.
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- lnsru 2y agoMy director pushes production guys really hard. They sometimes close an eye and ship a bit faulty product. No screws on heatspreader or wrong thermal pad. And here you go, these things do not last long. But in the books revenue was made in that year. Repairs will come later as separate expense.
- ben_w 2y ago> I recall a discussion here about the decline in software quality, from many years ago. Someone argued that if we designed hardware the way we design software, we'd be too afraid to go outside. At the time, I thought it was just hyperbole... That meme goes back at least to the 90s: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/car-balk/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/car-balk/
- EasyMark 2y agoMy take on this that's more to do with increase in software complexity and "quarterly thinking" than "people just don't care." As an embedded engineer I don't get much to say except maybe sprint to sprint unless I start my own company.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago"Quarterly thinking" is an implementation detail of "people just don't care".
- smitelli 2y ago> Who cares actually? Nobody. I do. Speaking only for myself, but Tesla has a long long way to go to repair its manufacturing reputation in my eyes.
- sorenjan 2y agoVolvo has their own safety center. https://youtube.com/watch?v=wOJrhNCsPL4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=wOJrhNCsPL4
- constantcrying 2y agoDo you think any medium sized car company doesn't have that?
- borski 2y agoTesla is, by far, the most egregious representative of this. Tata is second. Plenty of companies do care. These two don’t.
- xbar 2y agoTrue. Nor does any other manufacturer of cars nor toys nor paint nor cosmetics nor AI software nor canned foods.... Consumers and victims care about safety. Regulation is the only reason safety exists.
- borski 2y agoLucid and Volvo both care very much about safety. Safety is core to both their brands, and part of what they’ve built them on.
- zie 2y agoVolvo in the past absolutely cared, future Volvo it's still unknown(they have a new owner and their position is unknown last I checked).
- InsideOutSanta 2y agoVolvo is majority-owned by Geely, a car brand that is definitely not known for safety.
- zie 2y agoI meant Volvo’s position under the new ownership. It’s possible Geely enforces Volvo to care as much as they care. It’s also possible they let Volvo be Volvo around safety and have some other way to juice the returns and make them a bunch of money from the purchase. Time will tell.
- InsideOutSanta 2y agoI think Volvo is a good example for why most companies don't care about safety any more than the law and basic PR requires: the market does not reward companies that try to use safety as a selling point. Volvo is the only major car company that consistently manufactures cars that widely exceed legal safety requirements, but have a global market share of less than half a percent. That's probably about the number of people who take safety into consideration as a major factor when making purchasing decisions.
- ipython 2y agoIt’s all about economics. Just apply the formula: https://youtu.be/SiB8GVMNJkE https://youtu.be/SiB8GVMNJkE (May not be SFW depending on where you work)