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Catching a disease is not the same as willfully and knowingly overeating to the point of obesity. That is a very poor comparison.

anon22981 2y ago
Sod off. Your take on overweight being ”willfully and knowingly overeating” is ignorant and naive beyond recourse.
- sincerecook 2y ago
  There's nothing ignorant about it, you don't get to be obese by accident. Sorry, that's just the truth.
  - cthalupa 2y ago
    Basically no one chooses to be obese. It happens bit by bit over time, with small poor choice after small poor choice stacking up. Don't worry. You'll still get to feel superior about not being fat - you can just proclaim loudly that you did it without a GLP-1. Those that think like you will give you the applause you're looking for, I'm sure. And everyone else can roll their eyes and move on with their day. "Not liking" medication that greatly improves people's lives and greatly reduces their risk of early death just because you think it's the "easy way" and "not doing the work" makes you an asshole. Rooting for them to have significant side effects also makes you an asshole.
    - sincerecook 2y ago
      You are choosing to be obese by making those choices repeatedly in spite of the obvious consequences. It didn't sneak up on you out of nowhere. Calling me an asshole is beside the point, it's just a word for a person who says things that are true that people don't want to hear.
      - cthalupa 2y ago
        Again: If you get cancer, are you going to skip treatment because you didn't avoid every known carcinogen? Cancer is an obvious consequence of carcinogen exposure, and I would bet quite a lot of money that you are not avoiding exposure to every carcinogen you are aware of. I also doubt you're "putting in the work" to educate yourself on all of the known carcinogens, either. And no, you're not an asshole for saying that people hold some responsibility in getting fat. You're an asshole because you're wishing further harm on them vs. them having a safe and effective treatment for it. Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science, not some fat-apologist bullshit), even if people just pushed a button that said "make me fat" for some reason, we should all wish for them to have as easy, safe, and effective of a method as possible for returning to a healthy body weight. What possible moral justification could you have for literally wishing people will have negative health outcomes because they want to use medication to assist them in their weight loss?
        sincerecook 2y ago
        > Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science, That "Science" itself is fat apologist bullshit. This kind of Science is a joke, a way to legitimize the removal of personal responsibility and agency. It's activism, not Science, the same way addiction has become a mental illness or criminality an economic outcome under the guise of fake Science. The moral justification for wanting someone to "do it themselves" and have to pay for their choices is that it creates wiser, stronger people and wiser people make better societies (though it is also it's own good). What you are proposing is a society of meat bags with no agency who get bailed out of their poor choices. That makes for an obese soul.
        cthalupa 2y ago
        Why do you think science has any obligation to track with your own personal morals, is concerned with agency, or has anything at all to do with "souls?" Science is about understanding the how and why of things, on a factual basis. It has no responsibility to align to your worldview. I also notice you continue to refuse to engage on the very applicable analogy of carcinogens, cancer, and receiving treatment. I can only imagine it's because you know you would seek treatment if your life depended on it, despite the need for it being influenced by your actions. Regardless, I hope you never need to be in a situation where you have to choose between compromising the morals you're espousing now and getting treatment, and if you ever are, I hope you realize how foolish these ideals are, and that you get the treatment you need.
cthalupa 2y ago
It's actually not, because lifelong exposure to known carcinogens is actually very similar to slowly overeating and gaining weight. Do you eat grilled meat? Enjoy your PAHs and HCAs - if you ever get cancer, seeking treatment is going to be the easy way out, something you could have avoided by "putting in the work." But you also ignored all of the other things you do every day that are the easy way out.

anon22981 2y ago

Sod off. Your take on overweight being ”willfully and knowingly overeating” is ignorant and naive beyond recourse.

sincerecook 2y ago
There's nothing ignorant about it, you don't get to be obese by accident. Sorry, that's just the truth.
- cthalupa 2y ago
  Basically no one chooses to be obese. It happens bit by bit over time, with small poor choice after small poor choice stacking up. Don't worry. You'll still get to feel superior about not being fat - you can just proclaim loudly that you did it without a GLP-1. Those that think like you will give you the applause you're looking for, I'm sure. And everyone else can roll their eyes and move on with their day. "Not liking" medication that greatly improves people's lives and greatly reduces their risk of early death just because you think it's the "easy way" and "not doing the work" makes you an asshole. Rooting for them to have significant side effects also makes you an asshole.
  - sincerecook 2y ago
    You are choosing to be obese by making those choices repeatedly in spite of the obvious consequences. It didn't sneak up on you out of nowhere. Calling me an asshole is beside the point, it's just a word for a person who says things that are true that people don't want to hear.
    - cthalupa 2y ago
      Again: If you get cancer, are you going to skip treatment because you didn't avoid every known carcinogen? Cancer is an obvious consequence of carcinogen exposure, and I would bet quite a lot of money that you are not avoiding exposure to every carcinogen you are aware of. I also doubt you're "putting in the work" to educate yourself on all of the known carcinogens, either. And no, you're not an asshole for saying that people hold some responsibility in getting fat. You're an asshole because you're wishing further harm on them vs. them having a safe and effective treatment for it. Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science, not some fat-apologist bullshit), even if people just pushed a button that said "make me fat" for some reason, we should all wish for them to have as easy, safe, and effective of a method as possible for returning to a healthy body weight. What possible moral justification could you have for literally wishing people will have negative health outcomes because they want to use medication to assist them in their weight loss?
      - sincerecook 2y ago
        > Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science, That "Science" itself is fat apologist bullshit. This kind of Science is a joke, a way to legitimize the removal of personal responsibility and agency. It's activism, not Science, the same way addiction has become a mental illness or criminality an economic outcome under the guise of fake Science. The moral justification for wanting someone to "do it themselves" and have to pay for their choices is that it creates wiser, stronger people and wiser people make better societies (though it is also it's own good). What you are proposing is a society of meat bags with no agency who get bailed out of their poor choices. That makes for an obese soul.
        cthalupa 2y ago
        Why do you think science has any obligation to track with your own personal morals, is concerned with agency, or has anything at all to do with "souls?" Science is about understanding the how and why of things, on a factual basis. It has no responsibility to align to your worldview. I also notice you continue to refuse to engage on the very applicable analogy of carcinogens, cancer, and receiving treatment. I can only imagine it's because you know you would seek treatment if your life depended on it, despite the need for it being influenced by your actions. Regardless, I hope you never need to be in a situation where you have to choose between compromising the morals you're espousing now and getting treatment, and if you ever are, I hope you realize how foolish these ideals are, and that you get the treatment you need.

cthalupa 2y ago

It's actually not, because lifelong exposure to known carcinogens is actually very similar to slowly overeating and gaining weight. Do you eat grilled meat? Enjoy your PAHs and HCAs - if you ever get cancer, seeking treatment is going to be the easy way out, something you could have avoided by "putting in the work." But you also ignored all of the other things you do every day that are the easy way out.