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Luigi Mangione indicted on terrorism charges

23 points by magic_smoke_ee 2y ago

magic_smoke_ee 2y ago
Whenever a loaded label is misapplied, it diminishes legitimate meaning.
- bbqfog 2y ago
  To be fair, that's been happening with "terrorism" for a really long time.
  - brewtide 2y ago
    AFAIK once something is dubbed "terrorism" a lot of the rules and procedures get checked out the window. I know, surprising.
  - nico 2y ago
    And that’s a big issue The govt has shown that they can legally do pretty much whatever they want with someone they deem a terrorist, 0 accountability Like all those peeps in Guantanamo More recently, Snowden showed us what the consequences of something like the patriot act are It’s a very slippery slope
    - bbqfog 2y ago
      They can also bomb children via their Israel proxy because they live near-ish to a "terrorist".
znpy 2y ago
terrorism? so, like, Luigi Mangione and Osama Bin Laden are on the same level now?
- nico 2y ago
  That’s essentially what we are being told, yes
TesterVetter 2y ago
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marssaxman 2y ago
They might as well charge him with fraud, forgery, money laundering, embezzlement, and jay-walking, too, while they're tossing names of random irrelevant crimes around.
- Qem 2y ago
  His defense fundraiser is already north of 140k: https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect
  - deleted 2y ago
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- hedora 2y ago
  They are charging him with forgery.
  - marssaxman 2y ago
    Are you serious? This trial is going to be a hoot.
newspaper1 2y ago
Absurd. Also worth noting that the government plans to share state intelligence information directly with corporations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42413559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42413559
- nico 2y ago
  And there you have it. Never let a good crisis go to waste
timmg 2y ago
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hedora 2y ago
Good luck getting a jury to agree!
pixelatedindex 2y ago
Interesting how the media incessantly talks about a school shooting when it happens, but this gets negligible airtime. Also interesting how Trump says this is “a sickness” but turns around and is totally okay with folks like Kyle Rittenhouse.
- Qem 2y ago
  > Also interesting how Trump says this is “a sickness” Indeed this was caused by sickness. Spondylolisthesis was the cause of his back pain. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondylolisthesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondylolisthesis
- lofenfew 2y ago
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cbdhsjshs 2y ago
Seems like a reasonable move for the prosecution. To defend against terrorism charges he'd need to admit to a non-political motive. I bet they'll get a plea deal for murder w/o terrorism. I'm hoping for a big public trial, but I don't expect it because 'the man' doesn't want that. Mangione will negotiate a super lax plea deal that avoids a trial.
- Qem 2y ago
  > To defend against terrorism charges he'd need to admit to a non-political motive. Like getting mad from untreated searing pain? https://www.medpagetoday.com/painmanagement/backpain/113435 https://www.medpagetoday.com/painmanagement/backpain/113435
  - lofenfew 2y ago
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    - GeoAtreides 2y ago
      why so aggro boss
fred_is_fred 2y ago
I am not a prosecutor obviously but I think there's danger here in overcharging a defendant that for a large part of the US at least has an understandable motive. There's some risk that this makes him look even more sympathetic.
yongjik 2y ago
Don't understand why people are taking offense. Whether you sympathize with the killing or not, killing someone because you believe what they do harms the society is a textbook case of political terrorism. If, say, someone kills a prime minister in Europe for their country's foreign policy, nobody will have any problem calling it an act of terrorism.
- sillyfluke 2y ago
  You may not condone it, but it is relatively easy to understand. No collateral damage, single victim -- people get flustered when there is attempted moral equivalence with the goto decaptitating standins of Al Q and Islamic State brigades and acts with indiscriminate collateral damage. >nobody will have any problem calling it an act of terrorism Perhaps, but this slightly different than saying "people will prefer to call it an act of terrorism". I'm pretty sure that, depending on degree to which the prime minister or leader is deemed "authoritarian", some people and some media outlets will prefer to call it an "assasination".
- nico 2y ago
  > someone kills a prime minister in Europe Sure. And the law here also says that if someone kills a politician, they can be charged with terrorism But the law doesn’t say anything about CEOs or other private citizens Sure, charge the guy with all the murder counts you want, but terrorism is a big stretch However, “never let a good crisis go to waste”. So the terrorism concept is going to get milked here for sure

magic_smoke_ee 2y ago

Whenever a loaded label is misapplied, it diminishes legitimate meaning.

bbqfog 2y ago
To be fair, that's been happening with "terrorism" for a really long time.
- brewtide 2y ago
  AFAIK once something is dubbed "terrorism" a lot of the rules and procedures get checked out the window. I know, surprising.
- nico 2y ago
  And that’s a big issue The govt has shown that they can legally do pretty much whatever they want with someone they deem a terrorist, 0 accountability Like all those peeps in Guantanamo More recently, Snowden showed us what the consequences of something like the patriot act are It’s a very slippery slope
  - bbqfog 2y ago
    They can also bomb children via their Israel proxy because they live near-ish to a "terrorist".

znpy 2y ago

terrorism? so, like, Luigi Mangione and Osama Bin Laden are on the same level now?

nico 2y ago
That’s essentially what we are being told, yes

TesterVetter 2y ago

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marssaxman 2y ago

They might as well charge him with fraud, forgery, money laundering, embezzlement, and jay-walking, too, while they're tossing names of random irrelevant crimes around.

Qem 2y ago
His defense fundraiser is already north of 140k: https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect
- deleted 2y ago
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hedora 2y ago
They are charging him with forgery.
- marssaxman 2y ago
  Are you serious? This trial is going to be a hoot.

newspaper1 2y ago

Absurd. Also worth noting that the government plans to share state intelligence information directly with corporations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42413559 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42413559

nico 2y ago
And there you have it. Never let a good crisis go to waste

timmg 2y ago

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hedora 2y ago

Good luck getting a jury to agree!

pixelatedindex 2y ago

Interesting how the media incessantly talks about a school shooting when it happens, but this gets negligible airtime. Also interesting how Trump says this is “a sickness” but turns around and is totally okay with folks like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Qem 2y ago
> Also interesting how Trump says this is “a sickness” Indeed this was caused by sickness. Spondylolisthesis was the cause of his back pain. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondylolisthesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spondylolisthesis
lofenfew 2y ago
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cbdhsjshs 2y ago

Seems like a reasonable move for the prosecution. To defend against terrorism charges he'd need to admit to a non-political motive. I bet they'll get a plea deal for murder w/o terrorism. I'm hoping for a big public trial, but I don't expect it because 'the man' doesn't want that. Mangione will negotiate a super lax plea deal that avoids a trial.

Qem 2y ago
> To defend against terrorism charges he'd need to admit to a non-political motive. Like getting mad from untreated searing pain? https://www.medpagetoday.com/painmanagement/backpain/113435 https://www.medpagetoday.com/painmanagement/backpain/113435
- lofenfew 2y ago
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  - GeoAtreides 2y ago
    why so aggro boss

fred_is_fred 2y ago

I am not a prosecutor obviously but I think there's danger here in overcharging a defendant that for a large part of the US at least has an understandable motive. There's some risk that this makes him look even more sympathetic.

yongjik 2y ago

Don't understand why people are taking offense. Whether you sympathize with the killing or not, killing someone because you believe what they do harms the society is a textbook case of political terrorism. If, say, someone kills a prime minister in Europe for their country's foreign policy, nobody will have any problem calling it an act of terrorism.

sillyfluke 2y ago
You may not condone it, but it is relatively easy to understand. No collateral damage, single victim -- people get flustered when there is attempted moral equivalence with the goto decaptitating standins of Al Q and Islamic State brigades and acts with indiscriminate collateral damage. >nobody will have any problem calling it an act of terrorism Perhaps, but this slightly different than saying "people will prefer to call it an act of terrorism". I'm pretty sure that, depending on degree to which the prime minister or leader is deemed "authoritarian", some people and some media outlets will prefer to call it an "assasination".
nico 2y ago
> someone kills a prime minister in Europe Sure. And the law here also says that if someone kills a politician, they can be charged with terrorism But the law doesn’t say anything about CEOs or other private citizens Sure, charge the guy with all the murder counts you want, but terrorism is a big stretch However, “never let a good crisis go to waste”. So the terrorism concept is going to get milked here for sure