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I really don't like these medicines that give people who indulge themselves excessively an easy way out. Maybe these side effects are nature's price for not doi

I really don't like these medicines that give people who indulge themselves excessively an easy way out. Maybe these side effects are nature's price for not doing the work.

cthalupa 2y ago
Well, let's not give you any medication for any disease you are afflicted with. It's an easy way out. Get a bacterial infection? Should have been cleaner. Get a virus? Why you expose yourself. Develop cancer? We know there are millions of lifestyle choices that push the needle towards development bit by tiny bit, why didn't you avoid all of those? All of these are nature's price for not doing the work. Why are you taking the easy way out to discuss this on the internet? Why not go talk to someone about it in person. But don't drive, or wear clothing made by others, or live in a home constructed with modern methods using modern materials. Or... This could be a ridiculously awful take. Convenience or the "easy way out" is one of the biggest drivers of technological advancement in human history. The fact you are able to make this post at all means you have been a beneficiary of the "easy way out" in countless ways. All you're actually doing here is moralizing about fat people.
- sincerecook 2y ago
  Catching a disease is not the same as willfully and knowingly overeating to the point of obesity. That is a very poor comparison.
  - anon22981 2y ago
    Sod off. Your take on overweight being ”willfully and knowingly overeating” is ignorant and naive beyond recourse.
    - sincerecook 2y ago
      There's nothing ignorant about it, you don't get to be obese by accident. Sorry, that's just the truth.
      - cthalupa 2y ago
        Basically no one chooses to be obese. It happens bit by bit over time, with small poor choice after small poor choice stacking up. Don't worry. You'll still get to feel superior about not being fat - you can just proclaim loudly that you did it without a GLP-1. Those that think like you will give you the applause you're looking for, I'm sure. And everyone else can roll their eyes and move on with their day. "Not liking" medication that greatly improves people's lives and greatly reduces their risk of early death just because you think it's the "easy way" and "not doing the work" makes you an asshole. Rooting for them to have significant side effects also makes you an asshole.
        sincerecook 2y ago
        You are choosing to be obese by making those choices repeatedly in spite of the obvious consequences. It didn't sneak up on you out of nowhere. Calling me an asshole is beside the point, it's just a word for a person who says things that are true that people don't want to hear.
        cthalupa 2y ago
        Again: If you get cancer, are you going to skip treatment because you didn't avoid every known carcinogen? Cancer is an obvious consequence of carcinogen exposure, and I would bet quite a lot of money that you are not avoiding exposure to every carcinogen you are aware of. I also doubt you're "putting in the work" to educate yourself on all of the known carcinogens, either. And no, you're not an asshole for saying that people hold some responsibility in getting fat. You're an asshole because you're wishing further harm on them vs. them having a safe and effective treatment for it. Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science, not some fat-apologist bullshit), even if people just pushed a button that said "make me fat" for some reason, we should all wish for them to have as easy, safe, and effective of a method as possible for returning to a healthy body weight. What possible moral justification could you have for literally wishing people will have negative health outcomes because they want to use medication to assist them in their weight loss?
  - cthalupa 2y ago
    It's actually not, because lifelong exposure to known carcinogens is actually very similar to slowly overeating and gaining weight. Do you eat grilled meat? Enjoy your PAHs and HCAs - if you ever get cancer, seeking treatment is going to be the easy way out, something you could have avoided by "putting in the work." But you also ignored all of the other things you do every day that are the easy way out.
skeaker 2y ago
This medicine works by softening the indulgence instinct. It doesn't let you gorge all day and be thin, it makes you not want to gorge.

I really don't like these medicines that give people who indulge themselves excessively an easy way out. Maybe these side effects are nature's price for not doing the work.

cthalupa 2y ago

Well, let's not give you any medication for any disease you are afflicted with. It's an easy way out. Get a bacterial infection? Should have been cleaner. Get a virus? Why you expose yourself. Develop cancer? We know there are millions of lifestyle choices that push the needle towards development bit by tiny bit, why didn't you avoid all of those? All of these are nature's price for not doing the work. Why are you taking the easy way out to discuss this on the internet? Why not go talk to someone about it in person. But don't drive, or wear clothing made by others, or live in a home constructed with modern methods using modern materials. Or... This could be a ridiculously awful take. Convenience or the "easy way out" is one of the biggest drivers of technological advancement in human history. The fact you are able to make this post at all means you have been a beneficiary of the "easy way out" in countless ways. All you're actually doing here is moralizing about fat people.

sincerecook 2y ago
Catching a disease is not the same as willfully and knowingly overeating to the point of obesity. That is a very poor comparison.
- anon22981 2y ago
  Sod off. Your take on overweight being ”willfully and knowingly overeating” is ignorant and naive beyond recourse.
  - sincerecook 2y ago
    There's nothing ignorant about it, you don't get to be obese by accident. Sorry, that's just the truth.
    - cthalupa 2y ago
      Basically no one chooses to be obese. It happens bit by bit over time, with small poor choice after small poor choice stacking up. Don't worry. You'll still get to feel superior about not being fat - you can just proclaim loudly that you did it without a GLP-1. Those that think like you will give you the applause you're looking for, I'm sure. And everyone else can roll their eyes and move on with their day. "Not liking" medication that greatly improves people's lives and greatly reduces their risk of early death just because you think it's the "easy way" and "not doing the work" makes you an asshole. Rooting for them to have significant side effects also makes you an asshole.
      - sincerecook 2y ago
        You are choosing to be obese by making those choices repeatedly in spite of the obvious consequences. It didn't sneak up on you out of nowhere. Calling me an asshole is beside the point, it's just a word for a person who says things that are true that people don't want to hear.
        cthalupa 2y ago
        Again: If you get cancer, are you going to skip treatment because you didn't avoid every known carcinogen? Cancer is an obvious consequence of carcinogen exposure, and I would bet quite a lot of money that you are not avoiding exposure to every carcinogen you are aware of. I also doubt you're "putting in the work" to educate yourself on all of the known carcinogens, either. And no, you're not an asshole for saying that people hold some responsibility in getting fat. You're an asshole because you're wishing further harm on them vs. them having a safe and effective treatment for it. Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science, not some fat-apologist bullshit), even if people just pushed a button that said "make me fat" for some reason, we should all wish for them to have as easy, safe, and effective of a method as possible for returning to a healthy body weight. What possible moral justification could you have for literally wishing people will have negative health outcomes because they want to use medication to assist them in their weight loss?
- cthalupa 2y ago
  It's actually not, because lifelong exposure to known carcinogens is actually very similar to slowly overeating and gaining weight. Do you eat grilled meat? Enjoy your PAHs and HCAs - if you ever get cancer, seeking treatment is going to be the easy way out, something you could have avoided by "putting in the work." But you also ignored all of the other things you do every day that are the easy way out.

skeaker 2y ago

This medicine works by softening the indulgence instinct. It doesn't let you gorge all day and be thin, it makes you not want to gorge.