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As a stop gap until infrastructure is updated to handle the electricity and generate it from renewable sources. Tesla is heavily in the battery and solar space

As a stop gap until infrastructure is updated to handle the electricity and generate it from renewable sources. Tesla is heavily in the battery and solar space as well, they just have focused on cars so much its practically been ignored. Solar in order to generate electricity, and battery to store it so you can use it when its night or cloudy. Once alternatives are truly available, you'll see you'll see a huge change, but as it is now, electrification itself enables you to later simply change your power plants rather than every vehicle on the road.

bamboozled 2y ago
That's not going to happen when there is vested interest in propping up fossil fuels. I hope I'm wrong and you're right, I just don't think that's how the incoming administration sees things.
- timschmidt 2y ago
  > That's not going to happen when there is vested interest in propping up fossil fuels. Sure it will, because Solar PV is less expensive than any other option: https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2013/4/2/1051953-13649193321115432-zjkiss.png https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2013/4/2/1051953-136... from: https://seekingalpha.com/article/1324411-trends-in-the-cost-of-energy https://seekingalpha.com/article/1324411-trends-in-the-cost-...
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    You can ruin that by introducing tariffs on Chinese products for example and disincentivizing local solar production. Hacker News has lost it's imagination IMO. The "facts" you site are obvious, we could've solved climate change 50 years ago with nuclear, it's not about that. It's about fossil fuel money.
    - timschmidt 2y ago
      Seems like you're looking for reasons to complain. "Total U.S. solar module manufacturing capacity grows by 71% in Q1 2024" https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/06/06/total-u-s-solar-module-manufacturing-capacity-grows-by-71-in-q1-2024/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/06/06/total-u-s-solar-modul... "The U.S. Solar Market Insight Q2 2024 report says 11 GW of new solar module manufacturing capacity came online in the United States during Q1 2024, the largest quarter of solar manufacturing growth in American history." "Renewable Energy Is Now The Cheapest Option - Even Without Subsidies" https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/renewable-energy-is-now-the-cheapest-option-even-without-subsidies/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/renewa... There you go. Economics will handle it. No stopping it. > we could've solved climate change 50 years ago with nuclear Next time you fire up that time machine, let me know. I've got a sports almanac packed and ready. On this timeline it never happened. Meanwhile, solar pv production capacity has doubled reliably every couple years for decades. And is only a few doublings away from providing all the power the world needs.
      - bamboozled 2y ago
        It doesn't matter about all of that if we're still burning fossil fuels, do you see what I mean ? You're saying it's cheaper, yet there is no storage solution possible for. that much renewables to keep everything running all the time, night time, winter etc. I like renewbles, you seem to be getting aggressive as if I'm a climate denier, i'm the opposite, but I just don't think it's as easy as you think politically. To ignore politics is perilous. We could've eradicated the use of fossil fuels 50 years ago with Nuclear, we didn't.
        timschmidt 2y ago
        > there is no storage solution possible for. that much renewables to keep everything running all the time, night time, winter etc. "U.S. Installed Battery Storage Capacity Increased More Than Tenfold Over the Last Decade: EIA": https://enerknol.com/u-s-installed-battery-storage-capacity-increased-more-than-tenfold-over-the-last-decade-eia/ https://enerknol.com/u-s-installed-battery-storage-capacity-... > you seem to be getting aggressive Listen, if you don't like my time travel jokes, just say so. :) > To ignore politics is perilous. I'm not ignoring politics. I simply believe self-interest is a fundamentally more powerful force. I also think doomerism is self-defeating and to be resisted. We fixed the ozone layer, we can tackle renewable energy.

bamboozled 2y ago

That's not going to happen when there is vested interest in propping up fossil fuels. I hope I'm wrong and you're right, I just don't think that's how the incoming administration sees things.

timschmidt 2y ago
> That's not going to happen when there is vested interest in propping up fossil fuels. Sure it will, because Solar PV is less expensive than any other option: https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2013/4/2/1051953-13649193321115432-zjkiss.png https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2013/4/2/1051953-136... from: https://seekingalpha.com/article/1324411-trends-in-the-cost-of-energy https://seekingalpha.com/article/1324411-trends-in-the-cost-...
- bamboozled 2y ago
  You can ruin that by introducing tariffs on Chinese products for example and disincentivizing local solar production. Hacker News has lost it's imagination IMO. The "facts" you site are obvious, we could've solved climate change 50 years ago with nuclear, it's not about that. It's about fossil fuel money.
  - timschmidt 2y ago
    Seems like you're looking for reasons to complain. "Total U.S. solar module manufacturing capacity grows by 71% in Q1 2024" https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/06/06/total-u-s-solar-module-manufacturing-capacity-grows-by-71-in-q1-2024/ https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2024/06/06/total-u-s-solar-modul... "The U.S. Solar Market Insight Q2 2024 report says 11 GW of new solar module manufacturing capacity came online in the United States during Q1 2024, the largest quarter of solar manufacturing growth in American history." "Renewable Energy Is Now The Cheapest Option - Even Without Subsidies" https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/renewable-energy-is-now-the-cheapest-option-even-without-subsidies/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/renewa... There you go. Economics will handle it. No stopping it. > we could've solved climate change 50 years ago with nuclear Next time you fire up that time machine, let me know. I've got a sports almanac packed and ready. On this timeline it never happened. Meanwhile, solar pv production capacity has doubled reliably every couple years for decades. And is only a few doublings away from providing all the power the world needs.
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      It doesn't matter about all of that if we're still burning fossil fuels, do you see what I mean ? You're saying it's cheaper, yet there is no storage solution possible for. that much renewables to keep everything running all the time, night time, winter etc. I like renewbles, you seem to be getting aggressive as if I'm a climate denier, i'm the opposite, but I just don't think it's as easy as you think politically. To ignore politics is perilous. We could've eradicated the use of fossil fuels 50 years ago with Nuclear, we didn't.
      - timschmidt 2y ago
        > there is no storage solution possible for. that much renewables to keep everything running all the time, night time, winter etc. "U.S. Installed Battery Storage Capacity Increased More Than Tenfold Over the Last Decade: EIA": https://enerknol.com/u-s-installed-battery-storage-capacity-increased-more-than-tenfold-over-the-last-decade-eia/ https://enerknol.com/u-s-installed-battery-storage-capacity-... > you seem to be getting aggressive Listen, if you don't like my time travel jokes, just say so. :) > To ignore politics is perilous. I'm not ignoring politics. I simply believe self-interest is a fundamentally more powerful force. I also think doomerism is self-defeating and to be resisted. We fixed the ozone layer, we can tackle renewable energy.