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> Highways and semis create by far the most noise pollution. Semis conduct work and generally don't drive through residential neighborhoods. Intentionally loud

> Highways and semis create by far the most noise pollution. Semis conduct work and generally don't drive through residential neighborhoods. Intentionally loud vehicles seem to prefer residential neighborhoods and produce no positive work but annoy others and cause unnecessary pollution ( both noise and air ). Sirens for police cars and emergencies are necessary. Insecure people overcompensating with loud cars and motorcycles are unnecessary. > The world is not a place requiring sterilization of the senses. In no sense does banning intentionally loud vehicles "sterilize" the world of sound. As you noted, dogs bark, people have parties outside, etc. People who drive loud vehicles or motorcycles, especially through residential areas, should be fined for the 1st offense and imprisoned for the second offense. And mechanics who help create such cars should have their businesses shut. The people with these loud vehicles brought the hate on themselves by intentionally annoying people. If people like loud cars, then they should drive them in specifically designated race tracks.

multimoon 2y ago
What a narrow view of the world. I’m sure that there are things that you do that others find irritating, that doesn’t mean your hobby has any less merit or value to you. I’m also sure you’re conflating the one or two obnoxious vehicles you’ve heard into “any vehicle that I can hear at all is now bad”. As many others pointed out - motorcycles is even mostly considered a point of road safety to be loud. The resistance you get to your argument is because instead of simply asking your neighbor to start their car quietly (most new cars have valvetronic exhausts and can do this) you immediately jump to “I want to jail another person and take away their freedom because they’ve inconvenienced me momentarily”.
- stonesthrowaway 2y ago
  > I’m also sure you’re conflating the one or two obnoxious vehicles you’ve heard into “any vehicle that I can hear at all is now bad” That must be why I specifically stated police sirens, semis, etc are fine? I've nothing against "loud" cars that have a purpose. I've something against people intentionally modifying their cars to be loud. > The resistance you get to your argument is because instead of simply asking your neighbor to start their car quietly (most new cars have valvetronic exhausts and can do this) you immediately jump to “I want to jail another person and take away their freedom”. You really think I'm talking about people starting their cars? You know what people are complaining about. You are being intentionally dense here. Let me guess, you make a living modifying cars to be extremely loud. Right?
  - multimoon 2y ago
    >Let me guess, you make a living modifying cars to be extremely loud. Right? I don’t no, I work in a quiet office building. > That must be why I specifically stated police sirens, semis, etc are fine? I've nothing against "loud" cars that have a purpose. I've something against people intentionally modifying their cars to be loud You’re assuming that the intention of people modifying their car and/or buying one of the perfectly legal cars that comes with an above average exhaust sound output is specifically to spite and or annoy you, which it is not - the world doesn’t revolve around you. As another commenter pointed out, it’s done because they enjoy the sound for themselves and their own pleasure while driving. This is the exact behavior why this argument can’t ever be had - because we can’t ever have a discussion on “okay maybe we should set a reasonable noise cap, and you can make your car sound different and enjoy the sound if that’s your hobby, but your cap is <a reasonable number>” - you just immediately go straight to “nothing and if you do anything, straight to jail”. Thankfully I live in America which was founded based on the concept of freedom. I’d also like to point out that the vast majority of people driving cars with exhausts (myself included) you don’t even notice because we’re driving them in a silenced mode, or just driving normally which doesn’t create enough exhaust flow to make a significant sound. The people who drive the obnoxiously loud straight piped mustang through your neighborhood at unreasonable hours give the rest of us a bad name - and that is already likely illegal in your cities local noise ordinance.
    - stonesthrowaway 2y ago
      > I don’t, no I work in a quiet office building. But you work in some capacity with loud cars. Right? Why else would you be so defensive? > As another commenter pointed out, it’s done because they enjoy the sound for themselves and their own pleasure while driving. As I said, they could enjoy it driving on race tracks designated for such things. They also enjoy annoying others with said sound. Lets be honest here. That's why they drive through residentia neighborhoods disturbing the peace. > This is the exact behavior why this argument can’t ever be had An argument can't be had because you are not an honest debater. You have an agenda. Anyone can read this comment thread and see it. You are the problem. Not everyone else. Okay pal. > Thankfully I live in America which was founded based on the concept of freedom. Where do you think I live and all the people who despise people like you live. Good ol' America. Yes, the concept of freedom must be why smoking is banned in most public spaces? Why there are noise ordinances in most places. You have to be one sick puppy to think the founder's concept of freedom includes morons disturbing the people while they sleep in their homes. Here is a another concept of freedom". Freedom from unnecessary noise pollution.

multimoon 2y ago

What a narrow view of the world. I’m sure that there are things that you do that others find irritating, that doesn’t mean your hobby has any less merit or value to you. I’m also sure you’re conflating the one or two obnoxious vehicles you’ve heard into “any vehicle that I can hear at all is now bad”. As many others pointed out - motorcycles is even mostly considered a point of road safety to be loud. The resistance you get to your argument is because instead of simply asking your neighbor to start their car quietly (most new cars have valvetronic exhausts and can do this) you immediately jump to “I want to jail another person and take away their freedom because they’ve inconvenienced me momentarily”.

stonesthrowaway 2y ago
> I’m also sure you’re conflating the one or two obnoxious vehicles you’ve heard into “any vehicle that I can hear at all is now bad” That must be why I specifically stated police sirens, semis, etc are fine? I've nothing against "loud" cars that have a purpose. I've something against people intentionally modifying their cars to be loud. > The resistance you get to your argument is because instead of simply asking your neighbor to start their car quietly (most new cars have valvetronic exhausts and can do this) you immediately jump to “I want to jail another person and take away their freedom”. You really think I'm talking about people starting their cars? You know what people are complaining about. You are being intentionally dense here. Let me guess, you make a living modifying cars to be extremely loud. Right?
- multimoon 2y ago
  >Let me guess, you make a living modifying cars to be extremely loud. Right? I don’t no, I work in a quiet office building. > That must be why I specifically stated police sirens, semis, etc are fine? I've nothing against "loud" cars that have a purpose. I've something against people intentionally modifying their cars to be loud You’re assuming that the intention of people modifying their car and/or buying one of the perfectly legal cars that comes with an above average exhaust sound output is specifically to spite and or annoy you, which it is not - the world doesn’t revolve around you. As another commenter pointed out, it’s done because they enjoy the sound for themselves and their own pleasure while driving. This is the exact behavior why this argument can’t ever be had - because we can’t ever have a discussion on “okay maybe we should set a reasonable noise cap, and you can make your car sound different and enjoy the sound if that’s your hobby, but your cap is <a reasonable number>” - you just immediately go straight to “nothing and if you do anything, straight to jail”. Thankfully I live in America which was founded based on the concept of freedom. I’d also like to point out that the vast majority of people driving cars with exhausts (myself included) you don’t even notice because we’re driving them in a silenced mode, or just driving normally which doesn’t create enough exhaust flow to make a significant sound. The people who drive the obnoxiously loud straight piped mustang through your neighborhood at unreasonable hours give the rest of us a bad name - and that is already likely illegal in your cities local noise ordinance.
  - stonesthrowaway 2y ago
    > I don’t, no I work in a quiet office building. But you work in some capacity with loud cars. Right? Why else would you be so defensive? > As another commenter pointed out, it’s done because they enjoy the sound for themselves and their own pleasure while driving. As I said, they could enjoy it driving on race tracks designated for such things. They also enjoy annoying others with said sound. Lets be honest here. That's why they drive through residentia neighborhoods disturbing the peace. > This is the exact behavior why this argument can’t ever be had An argument can't be had because you are not an honest debater. You have an agenda. Anyone can read this comment thread and see it. You are the problem. Not everyone else. Okay pal. > Thankfully I live in America which was founded based on the concept of freedom. Where do you think I live and all the people who despise people like you live. Good ol' America. Yes, the concept of freedom must be why smoking is banned in most public spaces? Why there are noise ordinances in most places. You have to be one sick puppy to think the founder's concept of freedom includes morons disturbing the people while they sleep in their homes. Here is a another concept of freedom". Freedom from unnecessary noise pollution.