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If only it was just migrants. Famously, the Paris Commune was run by people who weren’t even French. But there is a difference between a highly mobile group of

If only it was just migrants. Famously, the Paris Commune was run by people who weren’t even French. But there is a difference between a highly mobile group of basically atheistic communards and traditional religious communities that would much rather transform France into something that looks a lot more like Taliban or ISIS controlled territory. It is easier in America, because America has many minority religious communities that are able to keep to themselves; the way the French state is set up, everyone must be socially integrated, and that means conflict arises when one group of people has one set of values and they are forced to live among those with completely different values, often antithetical to their own and disruptive of the lives they wish to live. Now, of course I would want this to be reformed (in France), but you must understand that would probably require the collapse of the French state as such.

kergonath 2y ago
> Famously, the Paris Commune was run by people who weren’t even French. That is not famous, for the simp reason that it is completely untrue. I really have no idea where you got that from. > But there is a difference between a highly mobile group of basically atheistic communards and traditional religious communities that would much rather transform France into something that looks a lot more like Taliban or ISIS controlled territory. That is definitely a novel way to look at it. There was literally zero common factor between the Paris commune and Jihadi groups. Again, I would like to know where you got that from, because it is as far from actual history as I can imagine. > that means conflict arises when one group of people has one set of values and they are forced to live among those with completely different values, often antithetical to their own and disruptive of the lives they wish to live. That would be a tiny bit credible if ratonnades did not predate Islamic terrorism by about half a century, to mention only a single example. The descendants of all the anarchists who dropped bombs in the late 19th century or OAS racists who did the same in the 1960s are Frencher than French now. Crying about terrorism is just window dressing: nationalists are perfectly happy closing their eyes when it is convenient. > Now, of course I would want this to be reformed (in France), but you must understand that would probably require the collapse of the French state as such. Right. Let’s start with reforming how History is taught so we never have to read such tripe again.

kergonath 2y ago

> Famously, the Paris Commune was run by people who weren’t even French. That is not famous, for the simp reason that it is completely untrue. I really have no idea where you got that from. > But there is a difference between a highly mobile group of basically atheistic communards and traditional religious communities that would much rather transform France into something that looks a lot more like Taliban or ISIS controlled territory. That is definitely a novel way to look at it. There was literally zero common factor between the Paris commune and Jihadi groups. Again, I would like to know where you got that from, because it is as far from actual history as I can imagine. > that means conflict arises when one group of people has one set of values and they are forced to live among those with completely different values, often antithetical to their own and disruptive of the lives they wish to live. That would be a tiny bit credible if ratonnades did not predate Islamic terrorism by about half a century, to mention only a single example. The descendants of all the anarchists who dropped bombs in the late 19th century or OAS racists who did the same in the 1960s are Frencher than French now. Crying about terrorism is just window dressing: nationalists are perfectly happy closing their eyes when it is convenient. > Now, of course I would want this to be reformed (in France), but you must understand that would probably require the collapse of the French state as such. Right. Let’s start with reforming how History is taught so we never have to read such tripe again.