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Meta: It's a shame all the [dead] comments here over the title of this post are hidden to most. I think it's a good reminder of the opposition some face in this

Meta: It's a shame all the [dead] comments here over the title of this post are hidden to most. I think it's a good reminder of the opposition some face in this (and other) industries for merely existing.

qup 2y ago
I don't have them hidden. I can't find anything derogatory about women; rather, the comments point out perceived hypocrisy around naming genders in titles. The comments about Nadia specifically were great, including a dead comment saying what a blessing she is to the rails community. > Ruby on Rails community is so lucky to have Nadia Another dead comment says it's not impressive, but doesn't mention gender. Two dead comments calls the title sexist. One dead comment predicts there will be misogyny. Two comments say "who cares if it was a woman" One comment laughs about "woke" complaints while being the only comment to use the word. I think that's all of them. I understand that putting "woman" in the title triggers a lot of talk about gender, which is off-topic and boring, but I don't really find any of the specific comments notable, hateful, or oppositional.
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- ziddoap 2y ago
  >I don't really find any of the specific comments notable, hateful, or oppositional. The fact that gender is mentioned at all, when it's never mentioned in posts that have "one man dev team" in the title, doesn't imply anything to you?
  - qup 2y ago
    Yes, it implies that calling attention to things done by women is a trigger for gender discussions. I think trying to make arguments about why they are triggering requires you to make a lot of assumptions about people who aren't yourself.
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      >discussions That is a charitable way to read the flagged comments.
      - qup 2y ago
        What about your comments?
  - Alupis 2y ago
    Are we not at a point where it would be vastly more appropriate to title this "one person dev team"? The reality is your gender has nothing to do with your ability to write software. Software is the greatest of equalizers. There is definitely a subset of society that feels it necessary to thrust gender into discussions where they have no place - such as this article. Are we supposed to be more impressed because it was a female? Why?
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      >Are we not at a point where it would be vastly more appropriate to title this "one person dev team"? Sure! I just find it interesting that these discussions only happen when "woman" is in the title, and never when "man" is in the title. >There is definitely a certain subset of society that feels it necessary to thrust gender into discussions where they have no place - such as this article. As long as you feel the same way whenever you see "one man dev team" or similar, I think that can be a good discussion.
      - Alupis 2y ago
        I agree with you entirely - however allow me to illustrate a point: I think the difference often is the intention of the writer. We get these types of headlines when people want to really promote how cool it is a female is capable of doing something - and we're all supposed to be amazed. That's pretty sexist if you think about it... of course a female is capable of writing high quality software! We should be amazed at what this person achieved because it is impressive on it's own merit - not because of the person's gender. However, nobody is reading a headline like "one man dev team" and thinking "you go dude!". It's a two-way double-standard that we should work on ending.
        madeofpalk 2y ago
        > We get these types of headlines when people want to really promote how cool it is a female is capable of doing something - and we're all supposed to be amazed I think you're reading way too much into it. Maybe they're just a women, and they did a turn on the phrase "one man team" to acknowledge that they're not a man?
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    I think there is a lot of reactionary sentiment, sometimes misplaced, stemming from decades of articles where gender is the newsworthy aspect of the article. Almost no one will read "one man Dev team" and think that gender is the central point, opposed to a simple descriptor. The same phenomenon occurs with race fairly often. It is not uncommon for professionals to take offense or question gender or racial qualifiers when other people describe them.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  My take as well. People seem to think this should be a noteworthy accomplishment irrespective of gender. The source seems to be objection to perceived patronization of women, not not hate or disparagement of women.
- ghaff 2y ago
  I probably wouldn't have written the title that way. In the body of the article, identifying the gender feels much more natural.
draw_down 2y ago
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sebastianz 2y ago
I understand your point, but in reality we all know the world is full of mean and petty people. I am thankful for the moderation on the platforms I read for (at least some of the time) sparing me the frustration and sadness I would get from otherwise constantly reading their opinions.
anonfordays 2y ago
Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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throw939494 2y ago
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blueflow 2y ago
Replace "woman" with "man" and evaluate if it would be any less or more appropriate. Society is not holding women and men to the same standards.
- madeofpalk 2y ago
  I don't think it would be less or more appropriate. Gender is not something to hide or be ashamed of - the opposite! Any progressive movement here is on acknowledging gender, and de-gendering when unknown or mixed. I think everyone making it out to be some big thing (which, the [dead] comments are bringing it up in a negative light for one reason or another) is the 'remarkable' thing.

qup 2y ago

I don't have them hidden. I can't find anything derogatory about women; rather, the comments point out perceived hypocrisy around naming genders in titles. The comments about Nadia specifically were great, including a dead comment saying what a blessing she is to the rails community. > Ruby on Rails community is so lucky to have Nadia Another dead comment says it's not impressive, but doesn't mention gender. Two dead comments calls the title sexist. One dead comment predicts there will be misogyny. Two comments say "who cares if it was a woman" One comment laughs about "woke" complaints while being the only comment to use the word. I think that's all of them. I understand that putting "woman" in the title triggers a lot of talk about gender, which is off-topic and boring, but I don't really find any of the specific comments notable, hateful, or oppositional.

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ziddoap 2y ago
>I don't really find any of the specific comments notable, hateful, or oppositional. The fact that gender is mentioned at all, when it's never mentioned in posts that have "one man dev team" in the title, doesn't imply anything to you?
- qup 2y ago
  Yes, it implies that calling attention to things done by women is a trigger for gender discussions. I think trying to make arguments about why they are triggering requires you to make a lot of assumptions about people who aren't yourself.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    >discussions That is a charitable way to read the flagged comments.
    - qup 2y ago
      What about your comments?
- Alupis 2y ago
  Are we not at a point where it would be vastly more appropriate to title this "one person dev team"? The reality is your gender has nothing to do with your ability to write software. Software is the greatest of equalizers. There is definitely a subset of society that feels it necessary to thrust gender into discussions where they have no place - such as this article. Are we supposed to be more impressed because it was a female? Why?
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    >Are we not at a point where it would be vastly more appropriate to title this "one person dev team"? Sure! I just find it interesting that these discussions only happen when "woman" is in the title, and never when "man" is in the title. >There is definitely a certain subset of society that feels it necessary to thrust gender into discussions where they have no place - such as this article. As long as you feel the same way whenever you see "one man dev team" or similar, I think that can be a good discussion.
    - Alupis 2y ago
      I agree with you entirely - however allow me to illustrate a point: I think the difference often is the intention of the writer. We get these types of headlines when people want to really promote how cool it is a female is capable of doing something - and we're all supposed to be amazed. That's pretty sexist if you think about it... of course a female is capable of writing high quality software! We should be amazed at what this person achieved because it is impressive on it's own merit - not because of the person's gender. However, nobody is reading a headline like "one man dev team" and thinking "you go dude!". It's a two-way double-standard that we should work on ending.
      - madeofpalk 2y ago
        > We get these types of headlines when people want to really promote how cool it is a female is capable of doing something - and we're all supposed to be amazed I think you're reading way too much into it. Maybe they're just a women, and they did a turn on the phrase "one man team" to acknowledge that they're not a man?
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  I think there is a lot of reactionary sentiment, sometimes misplaced, stemming from decades of articles where gender is the newsworthy aspect of the article. Almost no one will read "one man Dev team" and think that gender is the central point, opposed to a simple descriptor. The same phenomenon occurs with race fairly often. It is not uncommon for professionals to take offense or question gender or racial qualifiers when other people describe them.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
My take as well. People seem to think this should be a noteworthy accomplishment irrespective of gender. The source seems to be objection to perceived patronization of women, not not hate or disparagement of women.
ghaff 2y ago
I probably wouldn't have written the title that way. In the body of the article, identifying the gender feels much more natural.

draw_down 2y ago

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sebastianz 2y ago

I understand your point, but in reality we all know the world is full of mean and petty people. I am thankful for the moderation on the platforms I read for (at least some of the time) sparing me the frustration and sadness I would get from otherwise constantly reading their opinions.

anonfordays 2y ago

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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throw939494 2y ago

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blueflow 2y ago

Replace "woman" with "man" and evaluate if it would be any less or more appropriate. Society is not holding women and men to the same standards.

madeofpalk 2y ago
I don't think it would be less or more appropriate. Gender is not something to hide or be ashamed of - the opposite! Any progressive movement here is on acknowledging gender, and de-gendering when unknown or mixed. I think everyone making it out to be some big thing (which, the [dead] comments are bringing it up in a negative light for one reason or another) is the 'remarkable' thing.