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turned to alcoholism to escape their mundane lives Women in prior years (and I mean, stretching back for 100s of thousands of years) had rough lives of childbe

turned to alcoholism to escape their mundane lives Women in prior years (and I mean, stretching back for 100s of thousands of years) had rough lives of childbearing and scrubbing and not much access to booze or Diazepam, and those changing factors led to (a number of) problem women, rather than...mundanity. I mean, do you know many women? They seem comfortable with mundanity. The author was correct (and unoriginal) when he pointed out that class and geography combined to give the reds a new focal point of hatred against the bourgeoisie.

demallien 18y ago
No. Firstly, I doubt very much scrubbing was going on more than about 3-4 thousand years back. Secondly, women have had access to alcohol from around about the time alcohol was discovered, which I suspect was before the creation of scrubbing brushes. Thirdly, I very much doubt that 'women' are comfortable with mundanity - we have our needs for intellectual stimulation every bit as much as men - novels written by women cry out for this need from the moment novels started to be written, and letters between noblewomen from even before this time show the same need. And you can verify that the need still exists today by talking to a few of us. And finally, the mundanity of a suburban housewife's life is an historic abnormality - for nearly the entire existence of the human race, women have had to work, just as men have. Tending shops, working in the fields, making clothing and so on, not just doing the housework. This aberration created by the extraordinary wealth of the western world in the period dating from the end of World War II through to the 70s made it possible for women to stay at home and raise children. Of course, the women from the generation that followed this generation saw what it had done to their mothers, and had no desire to follow in their footsteps, leading to the social revolution witnessed at the end of the 1960s. Women have since that time rapidly re-integrated into the workforce, this time by choice, rather than financial necessity. And that fact, more than any other that I have outlined here, makes your statement that '(women) seem comfortable with mundanity' a lie, pure and simple.
- mynameishere 18y ago
  which I suspect was before the creation of scrubbing brushes. You suspected wrong, as I was using "scrubbing" as a metaphor for household work in general. the mundanity of a suburban housewife's life is an historic abnormality As is the widespread availability of alcohol and other chemicals, which I suspect is a more important factor in the conduct of life. we have our needs for intellectual stimulation every bit as much as men If by "we" you mean "we women who read hacker news", sure. I'm looking at the aggregate. It's not a men vs. women thing, as men are also not driven to abuse by "mundanity" or other silly things.
  - demallien 18y ago
    You suspected wrong, as I was using "scrubbing" as a metaphor for household work in general. No kidding. But I suggest that in a society not yet capable of making scrubbing brushes, there probably isn't much housework going on. As is the widespread availability of alcohol and other chemicals, which I suspect is a more important factor in the conduct of life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcohol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcohol Alcohol was discovered very early on in the civilisation game. I doubt that women of the Stone Age had much in common with the ladies of Wisteria Lane... If by "we" you mean "we women who read hacker news", sure. I'm looking at the aggregate. It's not a men vs. women thing, as men are also not driven to abuse by "mundanity" or other silly things. Now you're just trolling. Or perhaps you have some evidence to justify such a ridiculous statement?

demallien 18y ago

No. Firstly, I doubt very much scrubbing was going on more than about 3-4 thousand years back. Secondly, women have had access to alcohol from around about the time alcohol was discovered, which I suspect was before the creation of scrubbing brushes. Thirdly, I very much doubt that 'women' are comfortable with mundanity - we have our needs for intellectual stimulation every bit as much as men - novels written by women cry out for this need from the moment novels started to be written, and letters between noblewomen from even before this time show the same need. And you can verify that the need still exists today by talking to a few of us. And finally, the mundanity of a suburban housewife's life is an historic abnormality - for nearly the entire existence of the human race, women have had to work, just as men have. Tending shops, working in the fields, making clothing and so on, not just doing the housework. This aberration created by the extraordinary wealth of the western world in the period dating from the end of World War II through to the 70s made it possible for women to stay at home and raise children. Of course, the women from the generation that followed this generation saw what it had done to their mothers, and had no desire to follow in their footsteps, leading to the social revolution witnessed at the end of the 1960s. Women have since that time rapidly re-integrated into the workforce, this time by choice, rather than financial necessity. And that fact, more than any other that I have outlined here, makes your statement that '(women) seem comfortable with mundanity' a lie, pure and simple.

mynameishere 18y ago
which I suspect was before the creation of scrubbing brushes. You suspected wrong, as I was using "scrubbing" as a metaphor for household work in general. the mundanity of a suburban housewife's life is an historic abnormality As is the widespread availability of alcohol and other chemicals, which I suspect is a more important factor in the conduct of life. we have our needs for intellectual stimulation every bit as much as men If by "we" you mean "we women who read hacker news", sure. I'm looking at the aggregate. It's not a men vs. women thing, as men are also not driven to abuse by "mundanity" or other silly things.
- demallien 18y ago
  You suspected wrong, as I was using "scrubbing" as a metaphor for household work in general. No kidding. But I suggest that in a society not yet capable of making scrubbing brushes, there probably isn't much housework going on. As is the widespread availability of alcohol and other chemicals, which I suspect is a more important factor in the conduct of life. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcohol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcohol Alcohol was discovered very early on in the civilisation game. I doubt that women of the Stone Age had much in common with the ladies of Wisteria Lane... If by "we" you mean "we women who read hacker news", sure. I'm looking at the aggregate. It's not a men vs. women thing, as men are also not driven to abuse by "mundanity" or other silly things. Now you're just trolling. Or perhaps you have some evidence to justify such a ridiculous statement?