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I was actually seriously considering tossing my kitchenware. It was only me inertia that kept me from it. I wonder how long the afterlife of this one is going t

I was actually seriously considering tossing my kitchenware. It was only me inertia that kept me from it. I wonder how long the afterlife of this one is going to be; reminds me of the autism causing vacines hoax

crazygringo 2y ago
Well, the original post on HN was front page. This one is collecting... barely more than a point an hour. So if HN doesn't even care...
- marssaxman 2y ago
  The discussion of this topic five days ago received 128 points and 174 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42400008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42400008
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    Thank you so much!
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    > The discussion of this topic five days ago received 128 points and 174 comments Interesting. My understanding was that HN yanks a thread off the front page as soon as it has more comments than upvotes, because that's their indicator of being "controversial". Which never made sense to me, because I leave hundreds of times more comments than article upvotes.
    - echoangle 2y ago
      > My understanding was that HN yanks a thread off the front page as soon as it has more comments than upvotes, because that's their indicator of being "controversial". I have read that a lot of times but this doesn't seem to be the case, I can remember multiple times when I clicked on something on the front page and it had more comments than upvotes. This is currently on the front page with 245 points and 274 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42441502 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42441502
    - 6510 2y ago
      We need an AI to pick the correct topics and raise us properly.
jkestner 2y ago
For sure. In the face of bigger systemic changes that feel out of our control (eating better, working less, affordable health care), we’ll try every “one weird trick”.
moron4hire 2y ago
It's not a hoax, though. Vaccines causing autism was. While the level of the carcinogen wasn't what they thought it was, it's still significantly higher than the 0 that it should be, because the only reason it's there at all is because the companies are recycling plastic from electronics. I think that the researchers saying it doesn't change their conclusion is reasonable. If you had told me that Cocoa Krispies were 50% rat feces, but then came back and said you'd made a mistake and was off by an order of magnitude, it's only 5%, I think it would be pretty reasonable to not update your conclusion that Cocoa Krispies were significantly contaminated with rat feces.
- pfdietz 2y ago
  > the carcinogen I love how threat inflation turns chemicals from innocuous to deadly in the absence of any strong evidence. No, we cannot say this chemical is a carcinogen. Read the wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decabromodiphenyl_ether https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decabromodiphenyl_ether > In 2004, ATSDR wrote "Nothing definite is known about the health effects of PBDEs in people. Practically all of the available information is from studies of laboratory animals. Animal studies indicate that commercial decaBDE mixtures are generally much less toxic than the products containing lower brominated PBDEs. DecaBDE is expected to have relatively little effect on the health of humans."
  - zug_zug 2y ago
    EPA safe guidelines are changed all the time often by much more than 1 order of magnitude. E.G. lead has gone from .5ppm being safe (1995) to 20 ppb (2023). If you adopted a life strategy of "only avoid things after scientists have conclusive evidence it's dangerous for you" then you'd have unnecessarily ingested hundreds of various poisons over the last 100 years.
    - 6510 2y ago
      That people with Alzheimer's cook in aluminum doesn't prove causation. 2024 https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/aluminium-and-alzheimers/ https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/aluminium-and-alzh... > This research has shown higher aluminium levels in the brain and the fluids that bathe the brain in people with Alzheimer’s when compared to healthy individuals. But just spotting higher levels doesn’t mean they are a cause of the disease. > [...] most scientists think that aluminium build-up in the brain is more likely to be a consequence of Alzheimer’s disease rather than a cause. Ah yes, the "most scientists" card. "more likely" is also hilarious! Most doctors are more likely to smoke camel. 2010 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21157018/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21157018/ > The hypothesis that Al significantly contributes to AD is built upon very solid experimental evidence and should not be dismissed. Immediate steps should be taken to lessen human exposure to Al, which may be the single most aggravating and avoidable factor related to AD. The science folk need an entirely different level of evidence than I do.
phoronixrly 2y ago
Idk, plastic in contact with hot/acidic food/surfaces gets a no from me. Even before the apparently incorrect paper. Really, you bought Tupperware? Even if you don't ask yourself whether any contaminants were released by it in your food, maybe the fact that it gets stained by pasta sauce to a point where it becomes an Internet meme makes it shitty kitchenware? Even without exposure to food, plastic deteriorates with sunlight exposure or even just age... Why spend money on stuff like this? Buy a porcelain salad bowl instead, get a wooden spatula, put some oil on it so it endures washings.
Tomte 2y ago
I did. And today I wouldn‘t, but still, the silicone set is nicer than the hard plastic one. So I don‘t mind too much.
- marssaxman 2y ago
  Likewise: after throwing out all of our cheap black plastic utensils, we replaced them with much nicer wood, metal, and silicone implements. It was a pleasant little upgrade, even if it wasn't strictly necessary; no regrets.
emilamlom 2y ago
They're $5 spatulas that melt and shed bits of plastic over time. Wood, silicon, or stainless steel are all better and not too much more expensive. Even if this was a hoax (which it's not), there's plenty of reason to upgrade anyways.
dfxm12 2y ago
As long as some famous nude model doesn't make it a personal crusade to spread disinfo, I don't think it'll quite reach "autism causing vaccines" levels.
croes 2y ago
So you are ok with getting a dosis of 8% of the EPA limit when alternatives with much less toxicity exist?

crazygringo 2y ago

Well, the original post on HN was front page. This one is collecting... barely more than a point an hour. So if HN doesn't even care...

marssaxman 2y ago
The discussion of this topic five days ago received 128 points and 174 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42400008 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42400008
- crazygringo 2y ago
  Thank you so much!
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  > The discussion of this topic five days ago received 128 points and 174 comments Interesting. My understanding was that HN yanks a thread off the front page as soon as it has more comments than upvotes, because that's their indicator of being "controversial". Which never made sense to me, because I leave hundreds of times more comments than article upvotes.
  - echoangle 2y ago
    > My understanding was that HN yanks a thread off the front page as soon as it has more comments than upvotes, because that's their indicator of being "controversial". I have read that a lot of times but this doesn't seem to be the case, I can remember multiple times when I clicked on something on the front page and it had more comments than upvotes. This is currently on the front page with 245 points and 274 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42441502 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42441502
  - 6510 2y ago
    We need an AI to pick the correct topics and raise us properly.

jkestner 2y ago

For sure. In the face of bigger systemic changes that feel out of our control (eating better, working less, affordable health care), we’ll try every “one weird trick”.

moron4hire 2y ago

It's not a hoax, though. Vaccines causing autism was. While the level of the carcinogen wasn't what they thought it was, it's still significantly higher than the 0 that it should be, because the only reason it's there at all is because the companies are recycling plastic from electronics. I think that the researchers saying it doesn't change their conclusion is reasonable. If you had told me that Cocoa Krispies were 50% rat feces, but then came back and said you'd made a mistake and was off by an order of magnitude, it's only 5%, I think it would be pretty reasonable to not update your conclusion that Cocoa Krispies were significantly contaminated with rat feces.

pfdietz 2y ago
> the carcinogen I love how threat inflation turns chemicals from innocuous to deadly in the absence of any strong evidence. No, we cannot say this chemical is a carcinogen. Read the wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decabromodiphenyl_ether https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decabromodiphenyl_ether > In 2004, ATSDR wrote "Nothing definite is known about the health effects of PBDEs in people. Practically all of the available information is from studies of laboratory animals. Animal studies indicate that commercial decaBDE mixtures are generally much less toxic than the products containing lower brominated PBDEs. DecaBDE is expected to have relatively little effect on the health of humans."
- zug_zug 2y ago
  EPA safe guidelines are changed all the time often by much more than 1 order of magnitude. E.G. lead has gone from .5ppm being safe (1995) to 20 ppb (2023). If you adopted a life strategy of "only avoid things after scientists have conclusive evidence it's dangerous for you" then you'd have unnecessarily ingested hundreds of various poisons over the last 100 years.
  - 6510 2y ago
    That people with Alzheimer's cook in aluminum doesn't prove causation. 2024 https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/aluminium-and-alzheimers/ https://www.alzheimersresearchuk.org/news/aluminium-and-alzh... > This research has shown higher aluminium levels in the brain and the fluids that bathe the brain in people with Alzheimer’s when compared to healthy individuals. But just spotting higher levels doesn’t mean they are a cause of the disease. > [...] most scientists think that aluminium build-up in the brain is more likely to be a consequence of Alzheimer’s disease rather than a cause. Ah yes, the "most scientists" card. "more likely" is also hilarious! Most doctors are more likely to smoke camel. 2010 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21157018/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21157018/ > The hypothesis that Al significantly contributes to AD is built upon very solid experimental evidence and should not be dismissed. Immediate steps should be taken to lessen human exposure to Al, which may be the single most aggravating and avoidable factor related to AD. The science folk need an entirely different level of evidence than I do.

phoronixrly 2y ago

Idk, plastic in contact with hot/acidic food/surfaces gets a no from me. Even before the apparently incorrect paper. Really, you bought Tupperware? Even if you don't ask yourself whether any contaminants were released by it in your food, maybe the fact that it gets stained by pasta sauce to a point where it becomes an Internet meme makes it shitty kitchenware? Even without exposure to food, plastic deteriorates with sunlight exposure or even just age... Why spend money on stuff like this? Buy a porcelain salad bowl instead, get a wooden spatula, put some oil on it so it endures washings.

Tomte 2y ago

I did. And today I wouldn‘t, but still, the silicone set is nicer than the hard plastic one. So I don‘t mind too much.

marssaxman 2y ago
Likewise: after throwing out all of our cheap black plastic utensils, we replaced them with much nicer wood, metal, and silicone implements. It was a pleasant little upgrade, even if it wasn't strictly necessary; no regrets.

emilamlom 2y ago

They're $5 spatulas that melt and shed bits of plastic over time. Wood, silicon, or stainless steel are all better and not too much more expensive. Even if this was a hoax (which it's not), there's plenty of reason to upgrade anyways.

dfxm12 2y ago

As long as some famous nude model doesn't make it a personal crusade to spread disinfo, I don't think it'll quite reach "autism causing vaccines" levels.

croes 2y ago

So you are ok with getting a dosis of 8% of the EPA limit when alternatives with much less toxicity exist?