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Unfortunately, seems the only way to figure this out is by testing. But on the flip, nobody can really trust that it won't accidentally or purposefully escape f

Unfortunately, seems the only way to figure this out is by testing. But on the flip, nobody can really trust that it won't accidentally or purposefully escape from labs.

ashoeafoot 2y ago
Thus we can conclude military will make them. And they will escape.
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  We really can't. Militaries in particular aren't into bioweapons. Too hard to aim. They're pretty much strictly the domain of terrorists, and terrorists don't have the resources to execute attacks on the bleeding edge of biotech. Remember, no one has built a regular cell from scratch, much less come close to building a mirror cell.
  - blincoln 2y ago
    Military labs do work with bioweapons, and (unsurprisingly) they sometimes have trouble containing them just like regular labs. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Aral_smallpox_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Aral_smallpox_incident https://www.fredericknewspost.com/archives/what-went-wrong/article_50446ac6-f3a3-11e2-8875-0019bb30f31a.html https://www.fredericknewspost.com/archives/what-went-wrong/a... https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/world/russian-scientist-dies-in-ebola-accident-at-former-weapons-lab.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/world/russian-scientist-d... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/23/army-anthrax-shipments-pentagon-army/30154545/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/23/army-a...
    - andrewflnr 2y ago
      For defensive purposes, FWIW. I suppose they might create some mirror molecules to test defenses, but I believe gus_massa's point stands that you don't need to generate full, functioning cells for that purpose.
gus_massa 2y ago
They can create a few mirrored proteins and sugars and test them. Without RNA (and a lot of additional machinery) the proteins and sugars will not start to spontaneusly reproduce to conquer the word.
- j16sdiz 2y ago
  A prion don't have RNA, and yet they can reproduce
  - gus_massa 2y ago
    They can "reproduce" only in very specific environmens where there are similar non-malformed proteins nearby. It would be very hard to have a similar problem with a mirrored molecule that picks one type of normal molecules and mirror them.

Unfortunately, seems the only way to figure this out is by testing. But on the flip, nobody can really trust that it won't accidentally or purposefully escape from labs.

ashoeafoot 2y ago

Thus we can conclude military will make them. And they will escape.

andrewflnr 2y ago
We really can't. Militaries in particular aren't into bioweapons. Too hard to aim. They're pretty much strictly the domain of terrorists, and terrorists don't have the resources to execute attacks on the bleeding edge of biotech. Remember, no one has built a regular cell from scratch, much less come close to building a mirror cell.
- blincoln 2y ago
  Military labs do work with bioweapons, and (unsurprisingly) they sometimes have trouble containing them just like regular labs. E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Aral_smallpox_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Aral_smallpox_incident https://www.fredericknewspost.com/archives/what-went-wrong/article_50446ac6-f3a3-11e2-8875-0019bb30f31a.html https://www.fredericknewspost.com/archives/what-went-wrong/a... https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/world/russian-scientist-dies-in-ebola-accident-at-former-weapons-lab.html https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/world/russian-scientist-d... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/23/army-anthrax-shipments-pentagon-army/30154545/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/23/army-a...
  - andrewflnr 2y ago
    For defensive purposes, FWIW. I suppose they might create some mirror molecules to test defenses, but I believe gus_massa's point stands that you don't need to generate full, functioning cells for that purpose.

gus_massa 2y ago

They can create a few mirrored proteins and sugars and test them. Without RNA (and a lot of additional machinery) the proteins and sugars will not start to spontaneusly reproduce to conquer the word.

j16sdiz 2y ago
A prion don't have RNA, and yet they can reproduce
- gus_massa 2y ago
  They can "reproduce" only in very specific environmens where there are similar non-malformed proteins nearby. It would be very hard to have a similar problem with a mirrored molecule that picks one type of normal molecules and mirror them.