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> LLMs don't have to be "great," they just have to be "good enough." NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!! It may be that some random script you run on your PC can be "goo

> LLMs don't have to be "great," they just have to be "good enough." NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!! It may be that some random script you run on your PC can be "good enough", but the software the my business sells can't be produced by "good enough" LLMs. I'm tired of my junior dev turning in garbage code that the latest and greatest "good enough" LLM created. I'm about to tell him he can't use AI tools anymore. I'm so thankful I actually learned how to code in pre-LLM days, because I know more than just how to copy and paste.

dogman144 2y ago
You might care about that but do you think your sales team does?
wewtyflakes 2y ago
You're fighting the tide with a broom.
- 9cb14c1ec0 2y ago
  No, I'm fighting for the software I sell my customers to be actually reliable.
  - ethbr1 2y ago
    That ship seems to have sailed at the same time boxed software went extinct. How many companies still have dedicated QA orgs with skilled engineers? How many SaaS solutions have flat out broken features? Why is SRE now a critical function? How often do mobile apps ship updates? How many games ship with a day zero patch? The industries that still have reliable software are because there are regulatory or profit advantages to reliability -- and that's not true for the majority of software.
    - Panzer04 2y ago
      Not sure I agree. Where it matters people will prefer and buy products that "just work" compared to something unreliable. People tolerate game crashes because you (generally) can't get the same experience by switching. People wouldn't tolerate f.e broswers crashing if they can switch to an alternative. The same would apply to a lot of software, with varying limits to how much shit will be tolerated before a switch would be made.
    - krmboya 2y ago
      So majority of software we have now is unreliable piles of sh*t. Seems to check out, with how often I need to restart my browser to keep memory usage under control
  - wewtyflakes 2y ago
    I would not hire someone who eschews LLMs as a tool. That does not mean I would accept someone mindlessly shoving its code through review, as it is a tool, not a wholesale solution.
hi_hi 2y ago
I don't think the problem is the LLM. I think of LLMs like clay, or paint, or any other medium where you need people who know what they're doing to drive them. Also, I might humbly suggest you invest some time in the junior dev and ask yourself why they keep on producing "garbage code". They're junior, they aren't likely to know the difference between good and bad. Teach them. (Maybe you already are, I'm just taking a wild guess)

dogman144 2y ago

You might care about that but do you think your sales team does?

wewtyflakes 2y ago

You're fighting the tide with a broom.

9cb14c1ec0 2y ago
No, I'm fighting for the software I sell my customers to be actually reliable.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  That ship seems to have sailed at the same time boxed software went extinct. How many companies still have dedicated QA orgs with skilled engineers? How many SaaS solutions have flat out broken features? Why is SRE now a critical function? How often do mobile apps ship updates? How many games ship with a day zero patch? The industries that still have reliable software are because there are regulatory or profit advantages to reliability -- and that's not true for the majority of software.
  - Panzer04 2y ago
    Not sure I agree. Where it matters people will prefer and buy products that "just work" compared to something unreliable. People tolerate game crashes because you (generally) can't get the same experience by switching. People wouldn't tolerate f.e broswers crashing if they can switch to an alternative. The same would apply to a lot of software, with varying limits to how much shit will be tolerated before a switch would be made.
  - krmboya 2y ago
    So majority of software we have now is unreliable piles of sh*t. Seems to check out, with how often I need to restart my browser to keep memory usage under control
- wewtyflakes 2y ago
  I would not hire someone who eschews LLMs as a tool. That does not mean I would accept someone mindlessly shoving its code through review, as it is a tool, not a wholesale solution.

hi_hi 2y ago

I don't think the problem is the LLM. I think of LLMs like clay, or paint, or any other medium where you need people who know what they're doing to drive them. Also, I might humbly suggest you invest some time in the junior dev and ask yourself why they keep on producing "garbage code". They're junior, they aren't likely to know the difference between good and bad. Teach them. (Maybe you already are, I'm just taking a wild guess)